{"id":917917,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/917917/?format=json","text_counter":401,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Suba North, ODM","speaker_title":"Hon. (Ms.) Odhiambo-Mabona","speaker":{"id":376,"legal_name":"Millie Grace Akoth Odhiambo Mabona","slug":"millie-odhiambo-mabona"},"content":" Let me demystify. De facto basically means that in practice that person will be acting as a vice-chair because he takes over the position of chair in the absence of the chair. De jure means that if we provided for it in law as a vice-chair, then it would be by law. But, de facto even if you say presiding, he will be a vice- chair. My point of order was that can we move them one by one. The one on the zebra, then the other one. I am not withdrawing my amendment, even if I am the only one supporting it."}