{"id":917985,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/917985/?format=json","text_counter":469,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Suba North, ODM","speaker_title":"Hon. (Ms.) Odhiambo-Mabona","speaker":{"id":376,"legal_name":"Millie Grace Akoth Odhiambo Mabona","slug":"millie-odhiambo-mabona"},"content":" Yes, he has clarified. Based on his clarification, I think my amendment stays. From his amendment, he is saying that this is actually committees of the board. I want to tell Hon. Oundo that it is actually fortunate that many of us come here with international experience. I was a CEO of several organisations before I came here. So, I also know the international standards he is talking about. Based on the international standards he is talking about, you create sub-committees; there are standing sub-committees and there are technical sub-committees that you will form, of the board. They will be board members. If you want to enrich, you do not co-opt. Even if you look at other laws, we do not co-opt. If you co-opt, it means you are bringing other members through the back door. What you do is hire expertise because it comes and goes, it does not encroach; they do their work from outside. If you want to use the members who are in, you consult. That is the wording. He is saying it is a matter of semantics. Law is about semantics. When you say “consult”, it has a different meaning. When you say “co-opt”, it has a different meaning. When you say “hire expertise”, it has different meaning in semantics in law. That is why I want to agree with him that based on what he has said; I think my proposed amendment makes sense. Let us hire expertise."}