{"id":947027,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/947027/?format=json","text_counter":251,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Suba South, ODM","speaker_title":"Hon. John Mbadi","speaker":{"id":110,"legal_name":"John Mbadi Ng'ong'o","slug":"john-mbadi"},"content":"You have to push up the ceiling first to be able to borrow and go and pay to reduce. I do not know if I am making sense. I am now talking like I am educating my children at home. That is the way I would put it. For us to borrow to retire some debts, we have to push the ceiling up to allow us to borrow."}