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"content": "Through the Chair, I am addressing the Minister for Lands who happens to be my friend."
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"content": "Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, because of the interest in this matter, I wish to request the following: Let this Government sit down and compensate the people. Let the Government sit down and ensure that there will be no such sadistic and heartless demolitions anymore."
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"content": "(Several hon. Members stood up in their places)"
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"content": " Order, Hon. Members! Why are you standing before the hon. Member has finished?"
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"content": "Finally, I want to conclude by saying that let the Government, the Cabinet and every leader in this country analyze the statement which was made by that lady in the media. She said: “I hate this country!” She was in tears."
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"content": "Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, thank you for giving me this opportunity. I want to start by saying that cases of demolitions in this country have been with us for some time. The only problem is that, at the moment, it seems to be gaining some momentum. Just like the speaker who has spoken ahead of me said, demolitions started from the time when we came up with an item called “road reserves.” We started saying that road reserves have been grabbed. So many Kenyans suffered as a result. People suffered in the name of road and railway reserves. Demolitions started then. In this Tenth Parliament, we came up with an item called “Mau”. As you are aware, more than 5,000 Kenyans are still living in camps three years down the line, because of the same spirit of vindictiveness."
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"content": "We have seen Syokimau, which I believe did not just happen overnight. Those buildings in Syokimau and other areas in Nairobi were not built overnight. They were built under the supervision of the Government. While I stand here, I keep on asking myself: Who is this called the “Government? I am sure that when the Minister for Lands stands to speak, he is definitely going to blame “the Government”. So, I keep on asking myself: Who is the Government? Who is overrunning the Government? The innocent people who bought land in Syokimau are also the Government. We are here because of them. We are here because they sent us to come and represent their interests in this House. I am shocked that accommodation and housing is not part of the interests of the Government. I am shocked that the Ministry of Lands, which certified those title deeds as genuine so that people could get loans from banks to build houses, can turn back and say that those title deeds are not genuine. As I stand here today to speak about the issue of demolitions, I want to go back to the constituency that I represent called Eldama Ravine, where a “syokimau” is coming up. It is coming up because, under the supervision of the Ministry of Lands, school land is being grabbed. I did not want to mention the Minister’s name because I will be told to go and read the Standing Orders. But school land is being grabbed in Eldama Ravine. I am sure the Chair has heard about that. Innocent Kenyans are going to buy that school land. They are going to build homes on that school land. The land is neighbouring Mercy Girls in Eldama Ravine Town. Five years down the line, they will be told that, that was school land. I hope this Government and the Ministry of Lands can stop the many “syokimaus” - like that in Eldama Ravine - from happening. I hope they will stop the new structures that are coming up on public land."
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"content": "Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, I want to believe that the integrity of officers at the Ministry of Lands has a lot to do with Syokimau. I hear in some quarters that you can still get a title deed now. If you go there, you will be told to go and look for Gachanga so that he can sign now. Then it will be backdated to the time when Gachanja was the Commissioner for Lands, and it looks very genuine. The officers at the Ministry of Lands can even call Gachanja for you, so that he can come and sign the title deed, so that it looks genuine. All that is being done under the supervision of the Ministry of Lands. For those documents from Syokimau and elsewhere to be in the records at the Ministry of Lands, it can only happen because the Ministry of Lands allowed that. We have been waiting for so long for the purported computerization to take place in the Ministry of Lands. I am sure we have even allocated money in this House towards that activity, and I wonder how long it will take."
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"content": "Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, as I stand here, in this beloved country called Kenya, we have really made land such a serious matter. We have really made land such a very scarce resource. Kenyans cannot find affordable land. What happens is that you can only get land which is being sold by unscrupulous Kenyans in Syokimau and other places like Eldama Ravine. What is this policy that makes land very scarce in Kenya? It is even easier for you to go and buy land in the Central Business District (CDB) in Dar-es Salaam at a cheaper rate than along Mombasa Road; even towards Machakos. Why have we made land in Kenya so scarce, expensive and so rare? I hope the Ministry of Land will look for ways of making land available. When Kenyans want to build homes, let them be able to get land where they can build their homes; whether it is in the city or elsewhere. Let us make land an available resource. Land is so scarce now. Why can this Government not make available 100,000 acres of land in the outskirts of Nairobi at affordable rates? A small piece of land in Nairobi will cost you Kshs10 million and yet, if you go to other cities like Dar-es Salaam, Kampala and Johannesburg, land is affordable, unlike in Kenya."
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"content": "Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, personally, I want to put this problem squarely at the feet or in the hands of the Ministry of Lands. There is no way the Ministry of Lands can get out of this. It is the coordinating Ministry and it is the only one charged with the responsibility of issuing title deeds. It is the only one which is charged with the responsibility of maintaining documentation of title deeds and all the documents that have to do with land."
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