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"content": " Let us get another one from the Majority Leader."
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"content": " Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I agree with Sen. Mandago that Sen. Cherarkey must withdraw and apologize to religious leaders for making the assumption that pastors are academic dwarfs. It is not accurate. My own church, the AGC, Kenya is led by a bishop who is no less than a Phd holder; a very revered academic. Even the chairperson of Ethics and Anti-Corruption Commission (EACC) - just to help Sen. Cherarkey appreciate that many of our pastors are well educated - Dr. Oginde, is an architect by training, who further went on to later study theology. He is now the Chairperson of the EACC. I am not very sure about Sen. Faki’s friend that he is mentioning but those two are very good examples. Therefore, can Sen. Cherarkey clarify that statement? If he meant that pastors or religious leaders are academically challenged, then he needs to rectify that."
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"content": " This issue has elicited many interventions. This is not a simple matter. My late dad was a church minister in the Presbyterian Church and he was very educated. I will give five points of orders so that Sen. Cherarkey can clarify this matter of national importance."
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"content": "Thank you very much, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I join my other colleagues in reminding Sen. Cherarkey that religious leaders are learned people. For his information, in the Catholic Church, for example, the priests study in the seminary for almost 10 years. By Sen. Cherarkey insinuating that they have not gone to school, he should apologize and withdraw. The second thing that I have an issue with is Sen. Cherarkey’s implication again while supporting Sen. Seki’s Statement that where do you want D-minuses and D-pluses to go? I want to tell him as a teacher that we should support that affirmative action and allow them to go to teaching but not because it is only in the teaching profession where people who attained D minus can work. He asked: Where do you want them to go? Mr. Cherarkey should know that teaching is not the only place where somebody with a D- can go but I support affirmative action. That is not to mean that teachers are people of D- and Es. Thank you."
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"content": " Sen. Cherarkey, conclude and clarify those very important point of orders."
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"content": "Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I was misheard by my colleagues because I meant people like Yesu wa Tongaren, Pastor Ngang’a and the rest like the Shakahola ones. I have tremendous respect for religious leaders. For your information, my younger brother is a parish priest here in Kitengela. He went to the seminary for 10 years. I cannot be part of people who demonize religious leaders. I said people who lead The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "sect organizations in this country, like the Shakahola one. Most religious leaders are my personal friends. Most of them have done very well. I was saying that there is a perception in society on such people, but we need to have the proper perception. If you are Yesu wa Tongaren and the rest, we will not allow you to be part of it. Also, Joho was a Governor and he was a D- I thank you and support."
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"content": " Sen. Osotsi, do you want to comment? Not on Sen. Cherarkey’s issue."
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"content": "Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, let me start by supporting the Statement by Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale on fake fertiliser and to add that the Committee should consider conducting an inquiry into the entire subsidized fertiliser issue. Apart from the fake fertiliser that is being supplied, we have issues around fertiliser subsidy. For instance, this House passed the additional allocation money to our counties. I remember for my county, we passed Kshs97 million. This weekend, I was with my Governor and he said that they have not received that money. The idea around it was that counties are able to buy fertiliser that suits their soil, so that they can distribute to the farmers. However, we now have an instance where we pass money to the counties but the national Government is also venturing into a devolved role which is fertiliser subsidies. That confusion is there. It is also important to investigate the entire supply chain because this fertiliser was supplied to the National Cereals and Produce Board (NCPB) stores. Did they check that fertiliser? This fertiliser was approved by the Kenya Bureau of Standards (KeBS). What happened? Those are the questions that we need to ask ourselves. There was a supplier of this fertiliser to the National Cereals and Produce Board (NCPB). Who is this person? Instead of going around in circles, there are fundamental questions that we need to ask with regard to fake fertiliser so that we get to the bottom of the matter. Two, there are some counties which are selling fertiliser at almost double the price of the national Government like Kakamega, which are my neighbours. Is there no synergy between the national Government and county governments on programmes like fertiliser subsidy? Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want to request the Committee to look at the matter of subsidized fertiliser holistically; fake fertiliser and other issues around it, so that our people get value for money."
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"content": " Sen. Osotsi, do you wish to be informed by Sen. Cherarkey? He wants to inform you."
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