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"content": "THE COUNTY BOUNDARIES BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.6 OF 2023) The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": " Hon. Senators, the debate on this Bill was disrupted on Wednesday, 20th March, 2024. Sen. Oketch Gicheru had eight minutes. If he is around, he can use his eight minutes. If not, we can get to the next Senator who wishes to contribute. My screen is full again. I do not know who is for this Bill or the previous order that is Statements. Sen. Olekina and Sen. Crystal Asige are appearing on the screen and are not in the House. Sen. Faki, would you wish to contribute? This is the County Boundaries Bill (Senate Bills No.6 of 2023). It is only the Majority Leader who wishes to contribute. We have Sen. Osotsi requesting. However, I can see you spoke twice. Let me give you two minutes to rectify this mess. Proceed, Sen. Cherarkey."
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"content": "Mr. Deputy Speaker. Sir, from the onset, I want to congratulate my super Chair and ranking Member, my brother, Sen. M. Kajwang’, for bringing this Bill. This Bill is long overdue and it will cure many challenges that we have seen over time. I want to say that as Nandi County, we want this Bill to be enacted to law as per the provisions of Article 188 of the Constitution that provides for the procedure of altering county boundaries. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I know even as we have a discussion of this, we have had a challenge of delimitation of boundaries, especially since last year when we had postponed it. I saw in an advert or a newspaper that 24 constituencies across the country are supposed to be wiped out; what we call protected constituencies. I know you understand - because you are an immediate former Member of the ‘lower’ House - that there are specific constituencies that were called protected. They are 24 in number. On the issue of county boundaries, we have challenges. For instance, in Taita and the neighbouring county of Kwale. We have challenges in Nandi County with Kisumu and Kakamega. There is the issue of Sondu between Kericho and Kisumu counties. I want to agree that the people who will review these boundaries will have the status of a High Court, so that when they sit, it can be approved by the President. In this resolution, we must be very careful with these county boundaries because it breeds inter-community differences or fights. It also affects revenue collection. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the Chair who is also the sponsor of this Bill understands very well that most of the counties have found it to be a big challenge, especially in terms of revenue collection on own-source revenue. For instance, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale will tell you that Maseno Town is in Kakamega while Sen. (Prof.) Ojienda will tell you it is in Kisumu. The same thing with other areas. Consequently, the status that has been given in these county boundaries disputes, we must ensure there is a committee that looks into it. I want to propose that people who The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "sit in these mediation committees should be people who are above 60 years; people who have “eaten salt” ama wamekula chumvi or who have experience because they have what we call institutional memory. We cannot form a mediation committee and put a 20-year- old. You know, these things also need reason, sobriety and veterans - I can see Sen. Faki is excited. These are people who become repository of history and wisdom. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, while I agree that we must have a reflection of women and young people in these mediation committees, the majority should be people who are old enough, have experience and a background on the issues of land adjudication and the legal background. Nonetheless, at the end of the day, we must ensure that this mediation committee is properly constituted and also ensure that it has people with a good track record. For instance, in Chemase and Kisumu, there is what we call Peace Corps. Under Clause 12 on powers of the committee, they should be given, so that we summon or resolve the challenges. It is the intention of this law that has been proposed to resolve the challenges. When they have the status of the High Court, it will have the same status as the Senate. They will enjoy the quasi-judicial powers to ensure they summon any witness, especially on boundary issues. On the issue of a petition, this is a right given to every Kenyan. I saw somebody talking about representation. We represent Kenyans and you can ask something about Nandi or Meru. Everybody can make a petition to Parliament. It is their obligation. We should not be worried that so-and-so has brought a petition. Therefore, it should be treated like that. Under Clause 17, it has provided that even a Senator, a Member of the County Assembly and any other person can petition."
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