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"content": " On a point of order, Hon. Speaker."
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"content": "There is a point of order, Hon. Wandayi. Yes, Hon. Pukose."
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"content": " Hon. Speaker, it is true that a medical officer intern has been in the university for six years, but architects have also been in the university for six years, engineers five years, and all of them graduate and become interns. Lawyers graduate and become interns, too. So, an internship is part of the training. When you graduate as a doctor and transition to an internship, you are under the supervision of a senior doctor. After one year of training, the doctor must approve that you are fit to treat another person. If I feel you are not fit to treat another person, I will make you retake the internship until I am satisfied that you can treat a person confidently and professionally without any supervision. This is part of the training. Whether you are doing a postgraduate or a Doctor of Philosophy (PhD), you remain a student. There is nothing different. It is all training. I also want to correct the Leader of the Minority Party that Parliament prosecutes its activities through committees. We have already presented the Petition to the Public Petitions Committee, but as the Departmental Committee on Health of the National Assembly and the Standing Committee on Health in the Senate, we feel we can still prosecute some of the issues that might not have been addressed. We sought permission from the Speaker to sit tomorrow, unfortunately it will be a public holiday. We have again requested the Speaker to allow us to sit on Tuesday next week."
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"content": "Which other day do you want us to sit? Once you reschedule the meeting, you must inform those institutions, which should ideally take seven days per our Standing Orders. We have requested a special sitting to be held on Tuesday. This has to be between the two Houses: the National Assembly and the Senate."
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"content": "Hon. Wandayi, wind up."
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"content": " Hon. Speaker, I hear the Chairman of the Committee, who is also an accomplished medical doctor. With all due respect, all that Hon. Pukose is saying is pure academics. We know for sure that even the Ksh70,000 you are offering the intern doctors is not in the CBA that was signed between the doctors and the Government in 2017. That CBA has not been waived as we speak. What is the Government doing? It should either honour it in letter and spirit or review it with the concurrence of the doctors. That is how The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor"
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"content": "labour issues are raised the world over, Hon. Speaker. Therefore, what we are being treated to here is mere academics. I do not think we will go far if we continue with this kind of spirit and thinking. Thank you, Hon. Speaker."
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"content": "Thank you. Leader of Majority Party."
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Speaker, for giving me the opportunity. I want to agree with what all the contributors to the statement have said: that, indeed, our doctors are valued and that many of us depend on them. However, it should not be lost to us that just a decade ago, this country would only produce an average of 300 doctors from our two public universities that were churning out medical graduates. But today, courtesy of the huge investments that we have made as a country in our education system, we are able to churn out an average of 1,500 intern doctors annually. Hon. Speaker, that means that the interns who would have been taken in in five years are expected to be taken in annually. I am saying that to draw the picture to Kenyans of the kind of resources required and to also put into perspective the demands by our good doctors today; they are to be interned at an average of about Ksh206,000 or Ksh207,000. I have listened to this debate in the public domain and the media, and what our doctors are being told is that it is possible to pay Ksh206,000 to intern doctors but take up fewer interns than those who are graduating. This year alone, a total of 1,210 intern doctors are being enlisted at a cost of Ksh2.4 billion within the resource envelope already allocated by this House. Therefore, it is foolhardy for us to speak to the gallery and excite doctors at the gates of Parliament; but it is another thing when we come to budget and make sure that we have adequate resources. The said resources do not come from the moon but from taxes raised by Kenyans, which, again, the same people pontificating about how well we should treat our doctors are the same ones who were at the forefront in opposing the Finance Bill that was supposed to raise taxes to pay these doctors. Hon. Speaker, it may not be possible to pay Ksh206,000 to the interns. I agree with the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Health, Hon. (Dr) Pukose, that just like interns in other professions, like engineers who are supposed to work under engineers for two years, lawyers, like many of us, including the Leader of Minority Party... I do not know if he has finished his pupillage. When he is under pupillage, he earns a mere Ksh25,000. I am informed that in some law firms, lawyers do not even earn anything. Those who are under pupillage…"
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