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"content": "In law, there is no obligation to pay a pupillage student."
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"content": " Hon. Speaker, I will take your word because you have run an accomplished law firm. As you say, there is no obligation to pay intern lawyers under pupillage. Therefore, for doctors to earn what they are earning today is a privilege. They are amongst the most privileged professionals in our country. Hon. Speaker, beyond their internship, which is mandatory…"
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"content": " On a point of order, Hon. Speaker."
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"content": "There is a point of order, Leader of Majority Party. Hon. Mwenje."
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I rise under Standing Order 1. Is it in order for the Leader of the Majority Party to compare a pupil who is not qualified to practice, who does not even appear in court, which is the opposite of intern doctors who actually prescribe medicine? They treat people out there. Is he in order to compare those two professions? I am a lawyer, and I understand what I went through as a pupil, but that is very different from intern doctors. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor"
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"content": "Thank you, Hon. Speaker."
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"content": "Hon. Mwenje, if you listened to Dr. Pukose's very clear explanation, there is no difference. When I was a master of Hon. Soipan, Hon. Kindiki, and many others, they were obligated to show gratitude, and that is all, but I am not saying it is applicable to doctors because I do not want to wade into that. The Leader of the Majority Party is on the Floor; I will give you a chance."
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Let me not respond because you have responded to Hon. Mwenje, who claims to be a lawyer. The lawyer I know behind me, Hon. Njeri, tells me that she would earn Ksh12,000 as a pupillage lawyer; that is why I said that this internship programme could be likened to that two-year pupillage for lawyers and the two-year post-graduate training practice for architects and engineers. All these professions do not earn the quantum that our doctors are speaking about. When these doctors qualify after working under the supervision of qualified consultants and doctors, they join the public service at a grade higher than all other professionals, and those are facts. That means that they earn more, but it must also not be lost to the country that our intern doctors are making a critical point about and speaking to the architecture of our Constitution. Our doctors have demanded the establishment of a Health Services Commission for a long time. The reason the intern doctors feel mistreated is because they are being overworked in our county government establishments. The day we opted in 2010 to fully devolve our health services, we did a great injustice to them, not just to the medical professionals but also to the people of Kenya"
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