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"speaker_name": "Suba North, ODM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Millie Odhiambo-Mabona",
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"content": "I went to Kenyatta National Hospital (KNH) one time and I was very shocked. I recently saw that they wanted to dispose of bodies. They told people to go and do it. I asked them whether they keep any evidence such that when somebody wants to identify a person who is lost, they can do so. They said they do not do so. I was shocked. For instance, we cannot trace Mr Matunga, who used to be an Orange Democratic Movement (ODM) member who disappeared from Gwassi to date. There is no Deoxyribonucleic Acid (DNA) evidence. This applies to mass victimisation as well. I have proposed several amendments to this Bill even though it is good and timely. I encourage the Leader of the Majority Party to be more futuristic and stop looking backwards. He should stop blaming other people, including Dr Matiang’i. The country has moved on. With those few remarks, I support the Bill."
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Millie Odhiambo. You are always very informative. Next is Hon. (Dr) Suzanne Kiamba, Member for Makueni."
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me an opportunity to contribute to this Bill. While I think it is in order to have the National Disaster Risk Management Authority, I wish to raise a few concerns. One of them is the fact that we work very hard in this country to create many structures. We have many of them that end up having no budget or money to do what we wish them to do. For example, on issues of water, you will find Tanathi Water Works Development Agency, Athi Water Works Development Agency, Water Resources Management Authority (WRMA) and around three others. However, the budget against the programmes is quite wanting. For example, disaster risk management is under a particular ministry. The institutional capacity within the ministry is also very weak. Why should we continue creating more structures while we have institutionalised structures that do not have capacity? The moment we create a structure, it will attract a budget. We are living at times in this country when money is very scarce. I see a new budget coming up when I sit and listen to debate about this Bill. I am wondering when we will have money for the outcomes we want to deliver in this country if we continue making many budgets overheads. I also find it very interesting because disaster happens occasionally, and not every day. You must have a budget to be taken care of every month the moment you create an authority. Disaster should be mainstreamed because we have health, water, food and security related disasters. In my view, an authority is so much an overhead. We need a department to mainstream risk and disaster management. That way, we will reduce the cost of managing these disasters right from the national level to the county level. Otherwise, we will have so many structures with no money to enable them deliver the outcome we want for our people"
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"content": "You can see I do not agree with this Motion of having more structures. As a Kenyan representative, I am interested in delivering outcomes to our people. Look at our leadership structure. We have a Kenyan at the grassroot level represented by the President, the Deputy President, Senator, Woman Representative, Governor, Member of Parliament, and Member of County Assembly. I have not mentioned the Chief and the Assistant Chief. What reaches that voter at the ground after all these processes? When it comes to service delivery, we go through the same line-up. Let me not call it a mess. It is the same kind of thinking. We will create so many structures. When it comes to service delivery, we will spend most of the income without bringing the change we want. I am opposing this Motion. In my view, risk management does not happen every day. We should not have somebody sitting in an office 365 days in a year waiting for a disaster to happen. People in every sector and ministry should strengthen their disaster preparedness components. By doing so, we can deliver seamless outcome to our people when disaster The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor"
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"content": "emerges. Otherwise, I oppose the creation of that structure. I wish it could be integrated in already existing structures and we will deliver service. Thank you."
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"content": " Hon. (Dr) Suzanne Kiamba is saying that if Parliament is struck now, we should not have some authority sitting somewhere deciding whether there should be a response. We should have in-built disaster response systems. According to her, there is no need for an authority. That is what she is saying. Hon. Martin Owino says that we should classify disasters along those that the counties and the national governments respond to instead of waiting for a disaster to strike and then sit down and plan on how to respond. Everybody will be dead by then."
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"content": "The Mover should now reply. Hon. (Dr) Oundo, I see you. I remember giving you an opportunity to address the nation on this Bill. Proceed, Mover."
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"speaker_name": "Sigor, UDA",
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. On behalf of the Leader of the Majority Party, Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah, the Member for Kikuyu Constituency, I take this opportunity to reply. First, I thank all the Members who got opportunity to contribute. We have taken their concerns and contributions. In the next stage, we are going to critically look at their contribution and see how to incorporate the issues they have raised while debating this Bill. I also take this opportunity to thank Members of the Committee on Regional Development for doing a good job. Of course, wherever they are, they have also seen the concerns of Members. They have also made proposals, having gone through the Report and the Bill. I think I have seen Members talk about definitions that we need to recheck. From you, I have also heard that we need to relook at Clause 33 and the many other proposals Members have given. As a Committee, we also proposed amendments to this Bill. We will bring them during the next stage together with what Hon. Members have proposed. We will look at it again then come back here and agree as a House, on how we are going to move forward. However, it is evident that a majority of the Members have supported this Bill. From their contributions, this Bill would not have come at a better time than now. I sincerely commend and thank them for their support. Of course, we need to address the issues they have raised. I think it is welcomed. Disasters have been managed from various quarters in this country. An example is the landslide in West Pokot the other time. It struck Sigor Constituency, parts of Pokot South and other regions of this country. The Kenya Defence Forces (KDF) mainly did the response. In some other instances, it was very difficult for agencies and well-wishers to access areas with landslides. It was very difficult. Hon. Temporary Speaker, coming up with this Bill, which seems to provide a legal framework for co-ordination of disaster risk management, is a good thing. As it is now, the KDF does it. There is also a disaster operation centre at the Ministry of Interior and National Administration. We have an agency like the Kenya Red Cross and others. It is important that we have a legal framework so that all the actors involved in disaster risk management get coordinated and take stock of even the actors in disaster risk management. We have even proposed in this Bill that we are going to have a register of all the actors and players who do something about disaster. The Fourth Schedule to the Constitution provides that disaster management is a shared function between the two levels of government. That is, the national government and the county governments. That is why we have proposed a National Disaster Risk Management Authority. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor"
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