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"speaker_name": "Endebess, UDA",
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I have heard Hon. Kaluma in terms of requesting for winnowing. The amendments in the Order Paper are from the Committee, Hon Shakeel Shabbir, Hon. Mayaka, and Hon. Kaluma. The amendments by Hon. Mayaka and Hon. Shakeel are similar to the Committee’s amendments. Therefore, if Hon. Mayaka’s or Hon. Shakeel's amendments are carried, then the Committee will drop its amendments. We have no issues with that. Regarding some of the amendments that have been brought by Hon. Kaluma, the Committee agrees with maybe one or two of them. Regarding moving into winnowing, I want to state that this Assisted Reproductive Bill has undergone thorough public participation. We had the Gynaecology Society of Kenya, Marie Stopes, the Law Reform Commission, and the Kenya Human Rights Commission. We also had the universities. We had practising gynaecologists bring in amendments, as well as the church. We have listened to various proposals and that is why the Committee has brought in a lot of amendments to make sure that this Bill is done. Assisted reproductive health is being practised in this country. We only need to have a law that can guide the practice. I would like to implore Hon. Kaluma to allow us to dispense with this. He will have to convince us during the Committee of the whole House. There will be amendments that we will agree on, and there are those that the House will decide on. This matter should be prosecuted. Since the Standing Orders provide for the opinion of the Speaker, I implore that you give us a go ahead to prosecute this matter. We allowed winnowing of the Kenya Drugs Authority Bill. Hon. Kaluma came in and we carried his amendments. We agreed with him on that one. We did not have issues because it even involved the change of the title. Hon. Temporary Speaker, we want to request your office to put the Kenya Drugs Authority Bill on the Order Paper so that we can finish with it. This Committee has done winnowing and we have been waiting for it to be put on the Order Paper. Until now, it has not been put on the Order Paper."
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. (Dr) Pukose. Hon. Kaluma, I gave you enough time to prosecute your matter. Please, make it very short so that we make progress. We need to move."
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. You have listened to the Mover of the Bill, Hon. Millie, and Hon. Pukose. In their statements, they are confirming to you the need for that winnowing. They have confirmed to you that they met the other proponents and they are in agreement. However, what Hon. Pukose is not telling you is that if the other proponents agree, the purpose of winnowing is that the other people proposing amendments similar to the Committee should collapse them. In some of these things, a person may appear as a Member, but remember we are a House of representatives. I am being told that the church has spoken. I do not know whether mine, the Catholic Church, has spoken. I can confirm to you that I was speaking with my church as late as before I came to this House, and I want to report that they are with these amendments that we are proposing. It is not that we cannot transact this business, but we are saying it will save Parliament’s time if we agree and harmonise all these amendments. That is why this provision is talking about a harmonised provision. The Committee can be a single body bringing in amendments. Hon. Pukose has confirmed to you that I am very easy to persuade. I never operate in bad faith. When I raised the issue with the Bill he is talking about, he will confirm to you that I told him that we are in agreement and he could proceed. He has never heard me contest it The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor"
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"content": "again. Hon. Millie Grace Odhiambo, what I am saying is that instead of the Committee, Hon. Kaluma, or any other Member moving, give us an opportunity with the reasonable proponent. We should not disagree on things we can agree on before the Committee chaired by Hon. Pukose. That is so that whatever is agreed on is reported to the House as harmonised proposals. That way, all these amendments will fall or be singularly brought with the agreement of all. Hon. Pukose, as the Chairperson of the relevant Departmental Committee, will bring them. It will save Parliament's time. That is what I am requesting. I implore you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. This calls for the exercise of your discretion. Even if we were to proceed, you could imagine how long it would take Kaluma, Millie, another Member, and the Committee to move. What if we agreed and came up with a harmonised position in the manner Hon. Pukose is confirming when I moved similarly before. I am no longer in that picture because we have an agreed position. That way, the House also will not be subjected to too much contestation when reading these things. We will be told there was winnowing. Then, we will come and pass it. If you look at my amendments, I am not objecting to assisted reproductive technology or assisted reproduction. I want to do it in a manner that facilitates it better for Kenyans who need it. I still urge that we go for winnowing."
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"content": " Hon. Kaluma, we have heard you. Before ruling on this issue, allow me to recognise students from the University of Nairobi in Starehe Constituency in Nairobi City County. They are seated in the Public Gallery. Join me in welcoming them to observe the proceedings of this House."
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"content": "With the ping-pong, we can spend all the time here, Hon. Millie. I would like to hear from Hon. Mayaka and Hon. Millie. I will hear from you in a minute. You have agreed. One minute, Hon. Millie."
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"speaker_name": "Suba North, ODM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Millie Odhiambo-Mabona",
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I was very reluctant to move in this direction. If the Chair of the Committee agrees, I would be willing to move next week on condition that we finish the winnowing this week. I am saying this because I know the church is often misled about this Bill. I hope the church is listening. I am requesting it to talk to me directly. I am a lawyer, just like Hon. Kaluma. I may not be a Catholic, but I am a Seventh-Day Adventist. Therefore, our interest is the same. We serve the same Jesus and the same God. I am okay with moving next week if the Chairperson of the Committee agrees. However, I am requesting Hon. Kaluma. Please give the church a correct view. It is people like me who are without children that are trying to have some. I do not think the church has a problem with me having a child, honestly. You are already asking people to have four wives so that they can have more children because you have children. Have your children in peace. Leave us to have ours through assisted technology."
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"content": " What is out of Order, Hon. Kaluma?"
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