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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I also rise to support this Report by the Budget and Appropriations Committee led by Hon. Ndindi Nyoro. I have picked some few issues that these Supplementary Estimates are focused on. Number one is education. We have a major problem in basic education in terms of the Ministry of Education funding going to schools, the issue of floods and emergency response. Many of these are left to the National Government - Constituencies Development Fund (NG-CDF). We should not forget that we budget once a year. Sometimes, our proposals are already approved by the Board and money is allocated to projects, yet you are supposed to respond to emergency issues. I know schools in my constituency where we have to reconstruct three or four classrooms for children to attend classes. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "I have seen toilets that have sunk. We have tried so much with NG-CDF to construct them, but it is not sufficient. It is time that this was done properly from the ground. The most important people in this process are not only the education officers but also the National Government Administration Officers (NGAO) who are on the ground. These are the Assistant Chiefs, W azee wa Nyumba Kumi and the Chiefs, so that this information is budgeted for and money is spread across the country but not just in one region. The other issue that we also need to focus on is the issue of overlap and duplication of duties. I know we have allocated some money for El-Nino in different State Departments. We have done that in the State Department for Roads. If you look at the Supplementary Estimates, you will see the State Department for Public Works and State Department for Irrigation also have some money. Do not forget that we also have the National Drought Management Authority (NDMA). I hope that we will be able to know what each institution, parastatal or State Department does. We need accountability. As it has been said before by other speakers, our problem is not even the collection of money in this country but how it is spent. We need prudence and accountability of this money. We have allocated money for El-Nino to different State Departments, NDMA and the counties have another budget. You hear that two per cent of their budget goes to emergencies. We also have two per cent of NG-CDF which goes to emergencies. We need synergy to know what exactly has been done and how we can track this. More importantly, there is the issue of oversight and overlap of mandates, especially even in Parliament. I do not see the reason the cabinet secretaries in this country have to scramble to go to the Senate in the morning and come to the National Assembly in the evening because it is meant to increase accountability. The Senate focuses on the issues that are supposed to be done by this House, yet the counties are struggling with accountability issues. We will get to a point where we will clear that the governors are the ones who should appear before the Senate to answer accountability issues, so that the cabinet secretaries can appear before this House. Otherwise, this overlap will keep on being a circus. A cabinet secretary will be summoned to appear before a committee in this House, and he will say he appeared before the Senate on the same issue. At the end of the day, they know that they do not have any mandate in terms of allocation of resources or even any censure Motion cannot go through in the Senate. Hon. Temporary Speaker, there is the issue of health, which we still have a long way to go. Some of the issues have been addressed through this Supplementary Budget. I hope that many of the issues, especially on referral hospitals, will be addressed in the main budget. The idea of having referral hospitals is that we only take the major diseases there. The health centres and dispensaries should be working and county governments should focus on them. They should ensure that the dispensaries are working, so that immunisation of children, Antiretroviral (ARV) drugs and malaria can be managed there. Issues that can be managed at the local level should not be taken to referral hospitals. That way, we will free the referral hospitals to attend to major health issues. I have seen we have allocated money for backup generators for Kenyatta National Hospital (KNH) in this Supplementary Budget. To most people in this country right now, the health function is in limbo. The Social Health Insurance Fund (SHIF) is not rolled out very well. The transition from National Health Insurance Fund (NHIF) to SHIF is not very smooth. So, we have very many fundraisers. I do not think that there is any Member of Parliament who does not have a fundraiser every weekend for a sick person, hospital bill and a body that is held in a mortuary. We need to do this transition very well, so that we ensure that SHIF is working. On the issue of Linda Mama Programme, we still have a long way to go. It was supposed to take care of prenatal care, birth and postnatal care. However, it is still in a limbo The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"speaker_name": "Gilgil, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Martha Wangari",
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"content": "right now. Mothers are still struggling when they are giving birth. We still have a long way to go. On the issue of university funding, I can see there is an increase here but there is a bigger issue on university funding model. Many children or young people are supposed to begin choosing their courses this week or next week. We are still not sure on what is happening in the funding model. Even as we look at the Supplementary Estimates, we should also look at the bigger policy issue through the Departmental Committee on Education to ensure that this is working well because it is not working well right now. It is causing jitters and making families destitute as they try to raise money to take their children to universities. There is much say, but we have time constraints. I will leave it at that. I support the Motion. Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker."
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"speaker_name": "Hon. David Ochieng'",
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"content": " Member for Kiambaa."
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"speaker_name": "Kiambaa, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Njuguna Kawanjiku",
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me this opportunity to support this Motion on Consideration of the Second Supplementary Estimates for the Financial Year 2023/2024. I also congratulate the Budget and Appropriations Committee led by Hon. Ndindi Nyoro. We really worked hard to make sure that this Supplementary Budget is up-to-date. There were issues in it that we addressed. We allocated money to support ministries, especially on the issue of emergency. We had El Nino in our country, which came before we planned for it. We were told about the El Nino which came before we could plan for it. The National Treasury and the ministries concerned were forced to make sure that they had some emergency money to deal with El-Nino and the floods. This issue has really affected many people, and we need to ensure that that our people have basic needs like shelter and necessities like blankets. This will ensure that they have places to call home because they were majorly affected by floods, and were not able to salvage anything as far as those issues were concerned. In my constituency, I have areas that were seriously affected by floods. Mathare, Taita and Tana River too were affected. As a Committee, it is prudent for us to budget and allocate funds for emergency so that in times of emergency, we can help our people. We were able to allocate money to the concerned ministries, and especially to schools which were destroyed by floods. We appropriated about Ksh450 million to assist these schools so that they can rebuild their infrastructures, and ensure that students go back without any hindrances because it was something that was unplanned for. We did not see it coming, but we had to ensure that it was in the budget. We ensured they had enough resources so that they can rebuild their infrastructure so that our students can go back to school. We believe in our education system. Our children are the next leaders of this Republic. We allocated about Ksh450 million for the structure renovation in this Supplementary Budget. We also allocated money towards the insurance of our policemen who have been doing a great job for this Republic. Every time we have insecurity issues, we always go to them for assistance, and therefore, it was important for the Committee to allocate some money for them. They risk their lives. Sometimes they fight with the bandits and ensure that the borders of our nation are secure. When there are insecurities in our villages, we run to them for help. Therefore, it was important for the Committee to appropriate the insurance funds so that the police officers can be insured in case of any emergencies within their line of duty or probably, when they are sick they can be attended to. They do not have to think about securing our nation and at the same time about how they will pay their hospital bills and that of their families in case need arises. Therefore, as the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Affairs, we thought it important for us to appropriate money for their insurance and ensure that they have a safety net in case of emergency. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"speaker_name": "Kiambaa, UDA",
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"content": "Hon. Temporary Speaker, when someone has eaten and you have some food on the table, the next worrying thing is their health. Among the policies that we made is that every Ministry should ensure that the first charge within their budget is anything to do with the pending bills. We were able to allocate Ksh300 million for Rural Electrification and Renewable Energy Corporation because in the main budget, we will have Ksh50 million per constituency. We, therefore, thought it prudent for us to give them Ksh300 million to start preparing the infrastructure so that when this money comes on board, they would absorb and assist us in our constituencies. They would also ensure that different committees and constituencies absorb the money and utilise them in the development of infrastructure needed to help our people especially, on the last mile with the issue of transformers and street lights. The last one was the school feeding programme for primary schools. We made sure that there would be money for food for our primary school children because for us to retain our students in schools, it is important to ensure that they have a budget. Some of these children sleep hungry at homes and they go to school because they are sure of a plate of food. We did a good job, and I want to congratulate the Budget and Appropriation Committee. I am a Member of the Committee, and therefore, I support. Thank you very much."
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"speaker_name": "Hon. David Ochieng’",
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"content": " Member for Alego Usonga"
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"speaker_name": "Alego Usonga, ODM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Samuel Atandi",
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I support the appropriations. I support this Motion on the Supplementary Estimates. Allow me to highlight the following issues. The first one is that it is very difficult to make a budget when it is glaring that the revenue outside is not meeting the targets. As we went through this process, we realised that one of the challenges that this country is going to face moving forward, is the fact that KRA is not meeting the targets as defined by this House. This is happening despite this House going through the last Finance Act, and now, we have the current Finance Bill which we are going through, which has outlined various tax measures which propose to realise more revenues at the end. The reason this Supplementary Estimates are before us is because of a failure to meet a target of about Ksh250 billion of projected revenues. This is the reality of the matter and this House needs to be aware that even if we have those ambitious projects which we want to achieve, as a country, we will never achieve them if we do not meet the revenue targets. The second point I wanted to make is the question of increasing recurrent expenditure and reducing development expenditure. All the Supplementary Budgets that I have gone through, and which I have seen since I became a Member of this House, always target to reduce development expenditure at the same time increasing recurrent expenditure. Tied to that is the question of the Exchequer. You are aware that even as we went through this Supplementary Estimates, we realised that there was no development expenditure since the start of this Financial Year because of the Exchequer. If you look at the budget implementation, you will realise that the economy will not be able to perform as projected because we tend to implement development expenditure at the tail end of the year."
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