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"speaker_name": "Navakholo, ODM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Emmanuel Wangwe",
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I rise to support this Report by the Departmental Committee on Agriculture and Livestock. Looking at this Report, what comes to our mind is the clever way of cheating on basic human The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "needs. The perpetrators of that subsidy program who misbehaved in terms of not delivering the items to the needy cheated on the basic human need of food. This is a very unfortunate scenario where one person or so, can get away with such a big error. I would like to single out four issues, including the observation that has been made by the Committee, that there was failure to make changes in the contract as proposed by the Office of the Attorney-General. If a Committee can overlook a decision by the Attorney-General to make various amendments to the contract, that, in itself, is a violation of the rule of law. Those people must, therefore, face the law as it is supposed to be. The second observation that caught my eye is the acquisition of money by millers. The Committee has noted that millers were put to acquire money from financial institutions to fund the subsidy programme. They were enticed to go out and look for money without looking at the issue of the interest rate. Who is going to fund the interest rates? We are not just looking at the issue of the subsidy programme, but also the financial undertone that comes along with the borrowing which is not factored in. It distorts the money market. It distorts the economy. That is as good as a destruction of a whole country’s economy. The other Committee’s observation that I want to agree with is that there are no reports of delivery of the subsidised maize flour to the last mile by the Ministry of Interior. Whatever they do must have a report. That was not somebody's pocket change. A report must come out showing where the delivery was made and who received the items. If there is no such a report, it automatically means somebody choreographed a scheme with an intention to defraud the Kenyan people. The last observation I want to rely on is that there was no surveillance report for the distribution of the milled maize flour. If we do not have information of where the maize flour was milled, where was the maize flour itself? There was no source of milling and no miller came out to own up that he actually milled the maize flour. So, who were they paying? I agree with the recommendations of my colleagues in the Committee on Agriculture and Livestock that the Ministry of Agriculture should explain why it did not adopt the proposals made by the Attorney-General on the contract. As I said earlier, that is very important. Immediately these reports are adopted, the Ministry must tell us why… That comes along with so many other issues that they have to explain. Finally, whereas the Committee has proposed that the Directorate of Criminal Investigations (DCI) should look into this Report, I want to request that the Office of the Attorney- General also looks at it and gives us their own independent opinion so that they can share with us how much money was lost in the whole process and not just in terms of the milling and its distribution. Now that they went and poked into Article 223 of the Constitution, they violated the Constitution of Kenya. That was an abuse of Article 223, a very noble Article that supports any administration to pay for any needy programs that arise and have not been budgeted for. Otherwise, this Report is very good. Let all of us support it. I support the Report. Thank you."
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"content": "Thank you. Member for Moiben, Hon. Prof. Phyllis Bartoo."
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"speaker_name": "Moiben, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Phylis Bartoo",
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker, for giving me this opportunity. On behalf of the people of Moiben Constituency, I also want to add my voice on this Report. I want to thank the Members of the Committee on Agriculture and Livestock for coming up with this very elaborate Report on the maize flour subsidy. It is very clear that from the outset, the intention of that subsidy was a scam. It seems that the intention of the entire arrangement was The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "to get money out of the exchequer. Possibly – who knows – it was to support the 2022 campaigns. It is also very interesting that most of the millers who participated in that exercise were those moneyed, large-scale millers. Those who were left out were the small-scale millers, who would also have benefited from the subsidy program if its intention was to actually transform the lives of the people. In that case, the rich millers were the people who had money and could sponsor campaigns, and later claim their money from the Government. So, that begs the question: Were the large-scale millers more efficient than the small-scale millers? When you look at the Report, it is very clear from the payments that the millers were paid after submission of records. It is not clear who consumed the maize flour. Personally, I did not come across anybody or a household that consumed that subsidised maize flour. Possibly, it was just a scam. One got a tender, filed records and they got paid. So, somebody must take responsibility because it was actually a scam. It is also very clear from the Report that, possibly, some millers did not do anything. They were just briefcase millers. They got the tender, submitted the records and then they went up to the tail-end to collect money and then they disappeared. There was no evidence. We cannot follow a clear route to find out if a particular person supplied and milled maize flour. We cannot trace that exercise. I want to thank the Committee for taking their time to dig deeper and come out with a very comprehensive Report. It is an eye-opener. Those people who were paid without milling any maize flour should be prosecuted and the hard-earned Kenyan Exchequer money should be returned. They should be punished for the illegality of duping Kenyans on maize flour. It was a flawed process. I can see my time is over."
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"content": "Thank you very much."
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"speaker_name": "Kilifi North, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Owen Baya",
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"content": " On a point of order, Hon. Deputy Speaker."
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"content": "What is your point of order, Hon. Owen?"
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"content": "(Hon (Dr) James Nyikal raised his hand)"
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"content": "Hon. Nyikal, I have seen you."
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