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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. Hon. Boss, you know at a time like this when everybody seems to be agreeing with whatever is said – the voice and the content are the same – we should move to the next Order of business. So, I want to humbly request that you find it within your heart to allow us to move to the next Bill by calling upon the Mover to reply, so that we can finish on the drugs issue. Please, I beg and request you."
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"content": "Are Members in agreement?"
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"content": "Yes."
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"content": "I can allow Hon. Nyikal to close. I think it is just Hon. Nyikal and Hon. Toroitich. I can see that Hon. Toroitich is not here. All right. Proceed, Hon. Nyikal. Thereafter, we will have Hon. Toroitich and then, we shall close."
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"speaker_name": "Seme, ODM",
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker for that consideration. I stand to support this Report. It is a sad Report because it demonstrates very fundamental issues on how we handle our public affairs. One, it clearly indicates a poor implementation of a Presidential Directive. Public officers, particularly professionals and technical people should realise that the President gives general directives and it is upon them to look at the technical and procedural issues, so that the implementation of the Presidential Directive gives The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "results that the President desires. I see this in many areas. I am even concerned that I see the same thing in the implementation of the Junior Secondary Schools (JSS) in the education sector, where technical people do not seem to give proper consideration to what the President desires to be done. Two, is the propensity of the private sector to defraud the public. This country is of the opinion that when we talk of integrity and corruption, it resides in the public sector. Far from it! The truth is that many times it is the private sector that dreams up schemes that are then sold to the public sector through officers who make themselves vulnerable to orchestrate fraud. Hon. Deputy Speaker, in this case the millers, particularly CMA, made proposals which sound very nice. There is no maize. We can use tax processes and subsidy. Eventually, when that is brought, they are the same people who abuse the system and use it to defraud the people mercilessly. That is an indication that we must put emphasis on the relationship between the private sector and the public sector in the fight against corruption."
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"content": "The third issue that comes up is the reluctance of public officers to heed to professional advice, particularly when it is a Presidential Directive. There is a propensity to say that a directive is presidential and that the President wants it to be done in a certain way. However, if you go into details of what is being quoted, even the private sector also enjoins in this narrative. They put very sharp time limits which makes it impossible to manage things. For instance, in this case, where did this issue of one month come from? You cannot give subsidy to a whole nation in one month. You need time to work out the processes and procedures. That is another lesson that we have learnt from this. In this particular case, they were advised by the Attorney-General, but they did not heed that advice. In my view, there was some collusion between the private sector and the public officers who were involved. There is no known remedy for a perfect collusion. All the people that are meant to guard the system are defrauding it. They give fake data on whatever is required and defraud the measures that are put in place. In this case, I think there was a great collusion whose impact was the loss of public money. The Committee has said that we lost up to Ksh7 billion, but worse still, people suffered. None of us can recall a single person who got that maize and yet, the money was spent. Apparently, the maize was milled and distributed, but where did it go? If we go by the general principles that are indicated in this Report, it will guide us. I, therefore, support the recommendations that have been put in place, particularly refusing to pay those who we suspect were overpaid or were part of the collusion."
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"content": "Thank you. Next is the Member for Marakwet West, Hon. Toroitich."
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"speaker_name": "Marakwet West, Independent",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Timothy Kipchumba",
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker, for giving me this opportunity to comment on this very important Report. I thank Hon. (Dr) Mutunga’s Committee for such a comprehensive Report. It is unfortunate that this country lost close to Ksh7 billion in the maize flour subsidy. The subsidy was as a result of a presidential directive. As a country, we must sit down and analyse how to handle presidential directives. In my reading of the Statutory Instruments Act, a presidential directive is somehow delegated law. We must look for a way for the Committee on Delegated Legislation to review presidential directives. In the past, presidential directives have been a subject of misuse by many State departments. At times, presidential directives are not clear on how it will affect our budgets or how they must be handled. It is incumbent upon this House to review how we handle presidential directives so that they do not become conduits for corruption and impunity. For instance, in this Report, there was a Presidential Directive on the maize flour subsidy. The same was misused by a few cartels and corrupt elements to swindle Kenyan taxpayers’ money. As much as we must comply with The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "presidential directives, we must ensure that it does not affect our country and that there is proper oversight. The subsidy was a consumption subsidy, but I thank the current President because when he came to office, he did away with consumption subsidies and introduced production subsidies like the subsidised fertiliser. Production subsidies will help this country. Finally, if you read this Report, what you see is impunity and corruption. This House must support this Report to fight impunity and corruption. The only way we can do this is through strong parliamentary oversight. Members of Parliament, irrespective of the side of the isle they sit and who it affects, must look at this Report and stand firm to say no to impunity. We must say no to the misuse of public funds to enable us to slay the dragon of corruption and fraud that we have seen in the maize flour subsidy. Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker."
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