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"content": " Order, hon. Members! Dr. Khalwale has asked the Chair to comment on the documents that have been tabled by Mr. Waititu on the admissibility of the documents. On the question of admissibility, what the hon. Member has tabled is a letter with a Government letterhead from the Department of Registrar-General. Clearly, it is signed by the Assistant Registrar of Companies on News Point Ltd. As he read, he said who the shareholders are. So, the document tabled by hon. Waititu, on face value, appears authentic and is admissible. There is also a copy of a land rent invoice done over the counter which is unsigned for LR. No.209/1113, to the same News Point. It also bears the same address for the company. This company, however, has its last annual returns dated 31st December, 2001. The Directors and shareholders of the above company as indicated are Eng. Raila Odinga of Box 78050 Nairobi - 3,500 shares; hon. Dr. Oburu, the same box number; Walter Edwin Okuku of the same address and Alex Julius Lado of the same address. Hon. Members, on the face of it, this is an admissible document. We do not have a map. If I remember correctly, there was no map attached to the documents that hon. Waititu has tabled. Therefore, the question of whether there is a relationship between this company and the areas where the demolitions took place cannot be ascertained at this point from the documents that have been availed to us. In addition, on the documents that have been tabled by hon. Wavinya Ndeti, again, on the face of it, looking at the documents, they have the Government seal, logo and they are duly signed. Therefore, on the face of it, they are admissible and it is the Minister for Lands who can further ascertain and give us the true position of their authenticity."
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"content": "On a point of order, Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker. I want to thank you for that ruling and guidance. You heard the Minister for Lands, Mr. Orengo, clearly ask the Chair to determine whether those documents were referring to a property which was around or at Syokimau, Maasai Village or Kyang’ombe. Could the Chair ask the hon. Minister to discharge his ministerial responsibility by telling this House and the nation where that particular land that has tabled with its own title deed is situated in Nairobi instead of shifting that responsibility to the Chair?"
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"content": " Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, I can be able to do that but not right away because I have just seen the documents. Normally, the principle is that he who alleges is the one who is required to prove. However, in the spirit of having full disclosure of these matters, I am quite prepared, tomorrow or any other day thereafter to give particulars of where that piece of land is situated."
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"content": " Hon. Members, let me just draw your attention to Standing Order No.82 which clearly states:-"
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"content": "“(1) A Member shall be responsible for the accuracy of any facts which the Member alleges to be true and may be required to substantiate any such facts instantly."
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"content": "(2) If a Member has sufficient reason to convince the Speaker that the Member is unable to substantiate the allegations instantly, the Speaker shall require that such Member substantiates the allegations not later than the next sitting day, failure to which the Member shall be deemed to be disorderly within the meaning of Standing Order No.97 (Disorderly Conduct) unless the Member withdraws the allegations and gives a suitable apology, if the Speaker so requires.” This is just to bring to your attention that it is upon the alleger to bring proof."
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"content": "On a point of order, Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker. I do not hold brief for hon. Waititu, but I think that the House will need your guidance. A Member has tabled documents which speak for themselves. So, if any other Member says they are not what they are, the onus then will be on that Member. However, to ask a Member who tables a document, to do something technical, like saying the location and other technical things, it will set a dangerous precedent. We shall never be able then to table documents unless the ones we have authored."
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"content": " On a point of order, Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker. I tabled the same documents to the Committee together with the map. Therefore, the map is available. I can bring it tomorrow without any complication."
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"content": " Then, you are within the Standing Orders! Hon. William Ruto!"
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"content": "Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, thank you for giving me an opportunity to support this Report by the Committee. I think the Committee has done a very commendable job."
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