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"content": " I will allow the Chairman of the Budget and Appropriation Committee to give us the way forward. Proceed Hon. Sabina."
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"content": " Hon. Temporary Chairlady, you know that some people play to the gallery to make themselves popular. We are here to support the Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee, who is a member of my county. However, we need to delete and reject this programme because we know the history of this whole thing. Looking at what has been there before, I support the rejection of this budget programme. People should stop playing with the gallery and the minds of Kenyans by trying to impress them. If they need to oversee anything, let them go to the governors. In my opinion, the Senate should be abolished. That way, we will be able to save Kenyans’ money. We can establish a Departmental Committee to oversee the operations of the counties. That committee will have fourteen Members of Parliament who will not earn extra salaries but they will make sure that Kenyans’ money is saved. With those remarks, I beg again that we delete the Vote."
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"content": " Your time is up. Member for Likuyani. He has a card. I can see you on my screen."
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"content": " Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I want to delve into the issue of the Oversight Fund by the Senate. Members of the County Assemblies (MCAs) and the Senators are elected with the main role of oversight. Giving this Oversight Fund to Senators basically means that tomorrow, Members of the National Assembly and MCAs across the country will also demand creation of a similar fund for themselves. This will add more burden to Kenyans, who are already overburdened through taxation. Secondly, we have our County Assemblies, which can perform the role of oversight at the county level. I do not see any need for overseeing the governors at the county level and, again, at the national level. It is utterly a total waste of taxpayers’ money to have the Senate overseeing the governors, who are supposed to be overseen by MCAs. In that spirit, I call for the disbandment of the Senate of the Parliament of Kenya."
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"content": " Whip of the Majority Party."
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"content": " Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. Our responsibilities, as a bicameral Parliament, are enshrined in the Constitution under Articles 95 and 96 – that is oversight, legislation and representation. I agree with all the sentiments made by my colleagues as far as the small House of the Senate is concerned. The Senate is actually a small House. Their roles are very minor. They are very petty, and everything they do just shows that it is the lower House. While I agree with my colleagues, we have a challenge on procedure. The Estimates, as they appear, were approved by the Speaker. Therefore, it means that the only thing we can amend here are the proposed amendments by either the Chairman of the Budget and Appropriation Committee or any other Member. Those amendments have already been approved by the Speaker. So, we have a technical challenge. We really do not need the Senate to have allocation of oversight funds. However, we cannot do that at this stage because there is no The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "amendment before the House. There is nobody amongst us who proposed such an amendment to be approved by the Speaker. Therefore, while I agree with them, let us also be very factual that it cannot get to that level."
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"content": " Hon. Members, I want to give this chance to the Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee."
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