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"speaker_name": "Kibwezi West, MCCP",
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"content": "All of us in this House agree that the reason as to why we have wanton corruption in the national Government and the county governments is because those who are in leadership are able to, personally or through proxies, transact business with the offices they superintend. The Bill intends to remove that conflict of interest so that Government entities are not corrupted by people who have been appointed or elected into office. The Senate has made amendments that makes it possible, for, example, for a principal secretary to own a company and do business with a State department for which that principal secretary is the accounting officer."
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"speaker_name": "Kibwezi West, MCCP",
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"content": "This House must stand firm and say that this cannot be allowed. Out there, Kenyans are saying that we are able to fund our development. That we may not need to increase taxes if we are able to eliminate corruption and wastage. What the Senate is doing through these amendments is to legalise corruption and make it possible for a Member of Parliament, for example, to transact business with the Parliamentary Service Commission, which is even prohibited under our own parliamentary privileges and Standing Orders."
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"speaker_name": "Kibwezi West, MCCP",
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"content": "As I second the Motion, I urge this House to reject the Senate Amendments so that, pursuant to Article 113 of the Constitution, the Bill can be referred to a mediation committee of the two Houses for further consideration to ensure that, as Parliament, we do not undermine the war against corruption. That way, we will be bringing on board the resultant law, the spirit and aspirations of Kenyans. With those remarks, I second and urge this House to reject the Senate Amendments and refer the Bill to mediation. I urge the House to do as is required to enable the Speaker to invoke the powers conferred on him by Article 113 to appoint Members to a mediation committee."
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"content": "The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "Hon. Members, remember that the Leader of Majority Party moved the Motion in an amended form. So, Hon. Ndindi Nyoro, are you here? Are there no contributors? Hon. Wangari wants to speak. Please, proceed."
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"speaker_name": "Gilgil, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Martha Wangari",
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I rise to support the Leader of Majority Leader on this Bill. The most saddening thing about the amendments that have been proposed by the Senate is that they are taking us extremely backwards in terms of the war against corruption. Most of the issues we have been dealing with for the last one month or so, generated by Generation Zoomers (Gen Zs) and by the civil society, could be sorted if we dealt with corruption. Every year, we have had issues of pilferage of public funds both at the national and county levels of government. Anything that would jeopardize that fight should be rejected. We should actually support this Bill in the way we had passed it. We should reject the amendments from the Senate and go with what we had passed as the National Assembly. I am avoiding dwelling into casting aspersions on the Senate, but I think the Senate has lost track of what they should be doing."
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"speaker_name": "Gilgil, UDA",
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"content": "One of the biggest issues we must deal with is the fact that we have so much money going to the counties, but we do not see the value for it. We do not see the governors being held accountable. In other words, what we have seen is the Senate being obsessed with what we do in this House. I say so because I have been a senator. The senators have forgotten their main mandate of protecting the counties. What we have seen is the obsession by the Senate of calling Cabinet Secretaries to ask them questions. They should actually be calling the governors and the County Executive Committee Members (CECMs) from the county governments to hold them to account. The mandate of oversight at national Government level is vested in this House. We must have a conversation on whether Cabinet Secretaries should be appearing before the Senate or governors and CECMs should be doing so. We are now having Cabinet Secretaries giving excuses that they are not able to come to the National Assembly to answer Questions because in the morning or afternoon, they were in the Senate. Oversight of the national Government has now become a matter of duplication. Therefore, we should be able to deal with it at some point."
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"speaker_title": "Hon. Martha Wangari",
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"content": "On this Bill, Hon. Speaker, even the President alluded to this issue in his earlier address. If we do not deal with matters of governance and corruption, then we will have done nothing, So, I hope that we will do justice to this Bill. I hope the Members who will be chosen under Article 113 to participate in the mediation process will do justice to this Bill, so that we properly deal with corruption. You cannot say that you are taking from the left hand when the right hand is hidden behind. I actually support the Leader of the Majority Party. We should reject the amendments that have been done by the Senate. This Bill should proceed as initially passed by the National Assembly so that we deal properly with the issues that have been raised by Kenyans in the last few weeks. With those remarks, I support the Motion."
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"content": "Hon. Oundo."
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