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"speaker_name": "Hon. Martha Wangari",
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"content": "Next is Hon. Ochanda."
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"speaker_name": "Bondo, ODM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Gideon Ochanda",
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I rise to support this Motion based on the timing. These Supplementary Estimates are coming at a time when precedence has been set. A Finance Bill has been rejected for the first time in this country. We are doing this against a backdrop where Members were pleased with the previous appropriation we had made before the Finance Bill. In my view, given more time, we could secure the Ksh400 billion deficit. We could do this by synchronising votes from different departments that are almost similar. For example, in the The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "State Department of Immigration, there is a Vote known as population services, and another Vote named population and planning. If those Votes were merged, we could save some money. The same goes for the Department of Irrigation and the Department of Water. Synchronising those departments would result in savings. Since this process began, the Head of State has proposed the scrapping of 40 parastatals, which I still see in these Supplementary Estimates. We need time to review this Report. The Budget and Appropriations Committee needs to address the issue of duplications and costs, and consolidate the funds that are allocated to the parastatals that are being scrapped. If we do this, we can achieve the Ksh400 billion that we are aiming for. Another important issue is the problem of pilferage. We can save a lot of money by closing all avenues of corruption. Today, the President addressed the issue of procurement. If we can close all those avenues, I strongly believe that we can be able to get the Ksh400 billion that is making us get to this arrangement where there is no money for development. Thank you very much."
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"content": " Member for Manyatta, Hon. John Gitonga, are you on this one? If not, I will give to the Member for Sirisia. If he is not there, I will give this opportunity to the Member for Tetu, Hon. Geoffrey Mwangi."
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"speaker_name": "Tetu, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Geoffrey Wandeto",
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me the opportunity to contribute and support these Supplementary Estimates. As a country, we are in very interesting times because, for the first time, matters of economy and governance are taking centre-stage. This is something that we have not had in a long time. It is good that we are relooking at our expenditure, how we raise funds and finance the governance of this country. I would like to start by calling out the National Treasury because some of the problems that we have found ourselves in may be attributed to the lack of thoroughness that we have exhibited in how we have prepared the different financial documents, either budgets or appropriations. Without pre-empting debate on the individual who has been nominated to take charge of the National Treasury, I want to state that it is important that we get the best brains so that we can deal with some of the challenges that we have faced with the documents that have been rejected by the public and have put us on the spot as Members of this House. We must perform better in future in terms of our budget and appropriations preparations. Having said that, even as we try to exercise different austerity measures and juggle with the minimal resources that we have and move them around to satisfy the different needs in our country, it is important that we continue and even up the ante on the war on corruption and wastage. We sometimes talk about austerity, but then realise that the only austerity we achieved is by cutting down or reducing funding to important programmes. But the money that gets lost through wastage and corruption remains the same. As some of the people have said here, we do not just need to look at the national Government, but also further down to the county governments. If we do not win the war on corruption, we will continue to talk about austerity and not raising enough resources for a long time without achieving any meaningful progress. It is important that we also create a lean Government; one that is small enough to meet the needs of the people, but big enough to execute the mandate that it has been given. I personally believe that the Government has no business being in business, and that is why I support the President’s proposal that some parastatals should be merged or wound up. We have over 350 parastatals in this country; some of them have duplicated functions, while others can barely survive without getting the annual budgetary support from the National Treasury. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"speaker_name": "Tetu, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Geoffrey Wandeto",
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"content": "We have to ask this: What is important? What is the work of a Government? It is to provide education, health services, security and the rest. It is illogical for the Government to be in the business of milling cotton. Those are things that can be best done by the private sector. Can you tell me of any service that is offered by the Government, especially those parastatals, that does not have a problem? When it comes to power, we have issues of reliability, adequacy and many other issues. However, when the services are offered by the private sector, in many instances, they move swiftly and are even cheaper. It is time we started looking at the core mandate of the Government and ensure that only those functions are supported. As we work on this Budget, I want to echo the sentiments of my Chairman, Departmental Committee on Communication, Information and Innovation, that we must look into the future. We continue to allocate a lot of money in the traditional brick and mortar economy, and forget to be futuristic. If you go to the United Arab Emirates, they have a Minister for Artificial Intelligence (AI). They are thinking about futuristic things, where the world is going. We still have, and rightly so, an obsession with roads and water. Those are all good things, but even as we fix the past, we must also continue talking about the future, in terms of the amount of money that we can allocate towards research, AI, and how we are helping to build a futuristic Government. I support the Supplementary Estimates, and request the Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee and his people at the Treasury, to continue making a budget that is purposeful and helpful for this country, going forward. With those comments, I support. Thank you."
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"speaker_name": "Hon. Martha Wangari",
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"content": " Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Security, Hon. Tongoyo."
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"speaker_name": "Narok West, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Gabriel Tongoyo",
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"content": " Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me this opportunity to add my voice to this very important debate. From the very onset, I want to appreciate and commend the Budget and Appropriations Committee, led by their very able Chairman, for burning the midnight oil to have this Report ready. In fact, I was trying to call the Chairman last night, and he told me that he went to bed around 4.00 a.m. I also want to commend all the departmental committee chairpersons who participated in making this possible. It is good to appreciate that we are doing these Supplementary Estimates during a very hard moment because it is primarily cuts that have been occasioned by the stepping down or suspension of the Finance Bill, 2024. This has caused a lot of cuts across all sectors, and we have no option but to accept it as it is. Having said that, I want to appreciate the members of the Budget and Appropriations Committee because they have really tried to save and preserve the very critical and important programmes that are beneficial to Kenyans. I would just like to mention a few programmes. In the Supplementary Estimates, there is provision of money to absorb the JSS teachers. This is a positive step forward. A majority of our youth are unemployed and absorbing JSS teachers will be in fulfilment of the promise that the Kenya Kwanza Government made. In the same Budget, there is an increment for our police officers, prisons wardens and officers across the security sector. We must appreciate the Maraga Taskforce Report that recommended a 40 per cent increase of salaries to our police officers, and the President committed to it. In this Budget, a sum of money to the tune of Ksh3.5 billion has been provided to enable our police officers to get their salary increment starting this month, as promised by the President. We are still going to look at the other sectors, such as their welfare and the housing program. Our police officers’ welfare will get better. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"speaker_name": "Narok West, UDA",
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"content": "The issue of milk coolers is also an important one, especially among the pastoralist community where we come from. We normally say that the cow belongs to the man, but the milk belongs to the mothers. The provision of milk coolers in the Budget is a very critical component that will ensure that the livelihood of our farmers and mothers is uplifted. The NG-CDF will also ensure that these Members will enhance bursaries so that all children in Kenya can get them. I would also like to speak to the issue of leasing of vehicles. In the same Budget, there is a provision of slightly less than Ksh10 billion to enable us re-embark on the program of leased vehicles. This will enable security agents and NGAO officers to get important tools of service so that they can give services to Kenyans more effectively and efficiently. I want to especially mention those undertaking security operations in the North Rift and in the northern part of Kenya. In the same Budget, we noted that the money for public participation has been ring-fenced and protected, so that Members who criss-cross the entire country taking views of Kenyans will provide the needed services. Having said this, and I hope the Chair of the Budget and Appropriations Committee is listening, in the police sector, we had anticipated to have a raft of reforms to enable police officers to perform their duties and provide them with tools of service."
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"content": " Chair of the Budget and Appropriations Committee, that kamukunji has gone on for too long. Hon. Tongoyo is addressing a matter to you so that you can respond. Listen, especially to the chairpersons of departmental committees."
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