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"content": " Hon. (Dr) James Wambura Nyikal, Member of Parliament for Seme."
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me this opportunity to contribute to this debate. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "We describe this Supplementary Estimates as unique and unprecedented. It is just but a revision of the 2024/2025 Budget because the Finance Bill, 2024 did not go through. Matters have worsened by the loss of revenue due to the ongoing unrest, which we hope will be addressed soon. The Budget itself is realistic given the circumstances. It has addressed critical areas of need and has reduced spending on areas like construction and development that can wait. Hon. Temporary Speaker, how did we end up in a situation where our children are out on the streets, risking their lives and many losing their lives? We all support them. We have all said that they are right and that they have shown the way. But how did we get here? All of this is a culmination of errors of omission and commission that we have committed in the past in governance, politics and service delivery. Up to now, university students who are supposed to report in September do not know how much fees they need to pay. In the health sector, the SHIF laws have been deemed unconstitutional by the courts. Therefore, all the services dependent on NHIF have been suspended. The police insurance and the civil servants’ insurance are not recent issues. The issues of corruption, excessive displays of wealth, and biased recruitment have all contributed to this situation. This can also be due to unmet expectations. As we discuss this, we have to change our way of doing things. We need to prioritise the interests of the people. We knew from the beginning that the people did not want the Finance Bill 2024. All stakeholders, professional organisations and church leaders were not in support, but we did not listen. The situation has worsened over the years because we have not attended to the needs of the people. Critical areas affecting the peoples’ lives such as the cost of living, fuel, housing and health have been neglected. As a Parliament, we represent the people. We have a duty to oversee the Executive. The people expect that their elected representatives will protect them should we have a rogue Executive. We have failed on this. We must start listening to the people. As a matter of urgency, we must start to rebuild the confidence of the people in this Parliament. We are going to do some vetting. We must go out and listen because the problems are not yet solved. The Generation Zs are still out there and we need to appeal to them. It is actually them who are appealing to us to change our ways. The only way we can appeal to Gen. Zs is responding to them by changing our ways and listening to them. That is what we need to do. We do not have to think much about this. We have been shown the way. Let us follow it. As I sit down, let me repeat my concern. How do we start to build the confidence of the people of Kenya in Parliament? If we do not do that, the people will always come out to express themselves, and not always in ways that are acceptable, safe or peaceful. We must realise that in the presidential system, this House, in totality, oversees the Executive. Therefore, it should not matter which side we are in. If something is not good for the people, it is not good for them and it is their expectation that this House will stop such things. With that, I support these First Supplementary Estimates, which, as I said, are basically a revision of the 2024/25 Budget. I support."
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"content": " Hon. Alice Ng’ang’a, Member for Thika Town."
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"content": " Thank you."
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"content": " Hon. Members, I want to take a bit of time on our female Members for good reasons."
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I rise to support the First Supplementary Estimates for Financial Year 2024/25. It has been presented early because of the austerity measures that we are undertaking after we dropped the Finance Bill, 2024. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "There are so many cuts in this budget, but we have to live with it because that is how things are. We have to live within our means. Our roads are in a very pathetic state but, from this budget, we have reduced Ksh14 billion that is meant for roads. Following the floods that we had two months ago, I want to request the Ministry of Roads, Transport and Public Works to look at the critical roads that need to be repaired since we are not starting new projects. That is because we do not have enough money. Starting new projects means going out there to borrow, whereas we do not have the means to repay the existing debts. However, from this Budget, what made me happy is the employment of Junior Secondary School interns. That is a win for them because they are many. They are 46,000 in number across the country. This is good for them because they were really looking forward to be employed. After the Finance Bill 2024 was dropped, there was a possibility that they were not going to be absorbed by the Government but, when you look at these Estimates, I have seen that they have been factored in. Before we dropped the Finance Bill, 2024, we had talked about sanitary towels, and said that they were going to be manufactured locally. Before the austerity measures were undertaken, those sanitary towels were going to be manufactured in Kenya, thus offering many employment opportunities to our young men and women. We were supposed to buy from Kenya; thereby building our economy. However, when you look at things, we have a shortfall when it comes to sanitary towels for our children, which is a very important issue for our young girls both in primary and secondary schools. As things are, the budget of Ksh940 million for buying sanitary towels for them has not been reduced. Another thing that was in the Finance Bill that was dropped, but is not in the Supplementary Estimates, is electricity connectivity across the country. Every constituency was to receive Ksh50 million to put power where people have never seen power since Independence. Going by these Estimates, that allocation has been reduced. What has made me happy today is the feeding programme for vulnerable children in arid areas. I am happy for them. Without food, children cannot concentrate in school. Once they are given that money, at least, they will be going to school while looking forward to be fed. I am a champion for children. I like it when children are given their privilege at whatever stage of their lives. They are the next leaders of this nation. They will be the core component of our nation. So, we need to take care of them at their young ages. Our young men and women, the Gen. Zs, said they want to have a conversation. That conversation is very healthy. They woke us up from slumberland and told us what we need to relook at. They did a very good job. We heard them and we continue listening to them. As Members of Parliament, we will go back home and all of us are going to have a conversation with the Gen. Zs so that they can tell us how they feel and how we should run this nation. But I condemn those who are taking advantage of that conversation. It is a very healthy conversation that we are having right now. Those who are coming to hijack a conversation that was started by our young men and women are selfish people and they should stop. The Gen. Zs meant well for this nation. They were saying we needed to implement austerity measures in this nation. They said we should stop wastage. They had a very good narrative for all of us and for this Republic of Kenya. I want to tell those who are taking advantage of this situation that we have only one country called Kenya, and it is our motherland. If they want to have their own maandamano, they should stop hijacking our conversation with our young men and women. What they are doing is wrong. Looting other peoples’ property is very bad because people have worked very hard to acquire what they have. As we continue to have a conversation with our young men and women, The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "we are telling those who are hijacking their conversation that they have always been there, but they have never offered any solution. They are using the backdoor. They want to use our young men and women and yet, they are hiding in their cocoons. They do not want to come out. Our young men and women came out, and they have talked and we have heard them. To fuel what is going on in the country, they caption what a Member of Parliament has not said. In my case, I was told that I had insulted the Gen. Zs. I can never do something like that. I am a mother of Gen. Zs in my house and we hear them. Those people who do not wish us well are creating stories out there so that they can hijack a conversation that they themselves have failed to have. I am talking to EACC. It is an independent institution in this Republic. They have also failed. People who are corrupt are supposed to be investigated by EACC so that they can be taken to court. We usually hear of arrests, but we do not see any prosecutions in court. Before this Government took over, we heard of the Pandora Papers that exposed that a lot of money is stashed outside Kenya. That money is lying idle in those countries and is not helping in any way. If all the money that is stashed outside the country is brought back to this country, it is going to help us to even pay the debts that we have. It is also going to be used in our economy to build roads and do electricity connectivity. That is a conversation because our Gen Zs have come out and told us to open the conversations that are very hard to be discussed in broad day light. We also need to go back and ask ourselves how many people have stashed money outside this country. Can we start? Whoever had stashed money outside the country was given 21 days when the Pandora Papers were exposed. It is not doing our country any good. We need to have the tough conversations even about the mega scandals, including the COVID-19 billionaires. Our Gen. ZS are asking us to have those kinds of conversations in our country. Let us not sweep things under the carpet. We say we do not have money and yet, we know some people stole from Kenya. But they have never been prosecuted. I am talking to the Ethics and Anti-Corruption Commission (EACC) and telling them: “Up your game! Please, help us take to court all those who have taken Kenyans’ money.” As an institution, Kenyans have assigned you the duty to arrest those who are looting this nation."
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"content": "Hon. Temporary Speaker, Ksh30 billion has been cut from county governments. We will go to the county governments when we finish the conversation at the national level. We should check to see how they are spending their money. We have seen a lot of wastage, corruption, looting and nobody is talking about it. Money is money, be it at the national or county governments. It is Kenyans’ money. They should follow it up to know whether it does the function that it is intended to at the county level. From where I sit, I can tell you that there is a lot of wastage. They undertake programmes that cannot be audited at any level. We need to look into this issue. As I said earlier, Kenya is our nation and our country. We have heard our young men and women. They were bold enough to come out to talk to us very loudly. We have heard them. The conversation must continue so that we put Kenya where it is supposed to be. We cannot sit back and allow looting. The EACC investigates when departments are caught embezzling money from the public and yet, we do not know exactly what happens years down the line. People will fear misusing public funds if the EACC makes several arrests. That is the conversation our Gen. Zs are having. The nation and Parliament are discussing the Supplementary Budget and the austerity measures to be undertaken moving forward. It means every Kenyan needs to stand up and speak when we see something that is wrong happening wherever we are. We should not be quiet anymore. We need to speak if there is looting anywhere. We will let our young men and women down if we do not do so. They spoke and we have heard them. We need to act and implement what The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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