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"content": "Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, let me conclude by saying the following: By going forward, we must be human irrespective of sources of instructions, even if it is the Cabinet or whoever. Government officers are obligated under the new Constitution not to obey illegal unconstitutional orders. So, any officer found to have executed orders in contravention of the Constitution must face the full force of the law. That is what it is. The Constitution does not allow or give protection to any public officer to disobey illegal and unconstitutional orders like the ones that were carried out in Syokimau and all those other areas."
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"content": "With those few remarks, I beg to support."
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"content": " I will now give an opportunity to the Minister for Lands. Remember we will have three Ministers answering on this issue. So, you will still have an opportunity to contribute. This is not the end of contributions."
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"content": " Yeah, I am not the last respondent, Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker. You are quite right. Now, the entry point from the last speaker, hon. Samoei, is actually a good position for me to start, and I want to say this, which I have said time and again in this House. Not all demolitions are unlawful, but all demolitions must be carried out in accordance with the law."
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"content": "For that reason – and this is a matter on which I have been clear throughout – I support the Report by the Committee; I support it for several reasons, especially the component dealing with demolitions."
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"content": "Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, I just want to refer to Article 40 of the Constitution, which says the following--- I think this is a very important provision in this Constitution. It is being argued in this Report that, probably, there is no legal framework with regard to demolitions; that we should enact a law or produce some guidelines to govern circumstances where evictions have to be carried out."
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"content": "Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, I think the people of Kenya and this Parliament did make certain provisions, which I think are very important as we discuss this particular issue, and I want to refer to Chapter 5, which deals with land and environment, Article 60. I will come back to Article 60 (1) later, but Article 60 (2) says the following:-"
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"content": "“These principles shall be implemented--- These are the principles that relate to the land policy. The principles shall be implemented:-"
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"content": "“---through a national land policy developed and reviewed regularly by the national Government and through legislation.” So, there are two options; either the land policy will be carried out on the basis of the National Land Policy or on the basis of national legislation. This matter is so critical; it is not left to legislation by county governments. It is to do with national legislation. I think this Parliament did the country proud when in the year 2009, we discussed and approved the National Land Policy, which was Sessional Paper No. 3 of 2009. I just want to quote from the National Land Policy. It is the official issue of August 2009 at paragraph 211 on page 51; it begins from the citations that I am referring to. I think that, probably, the Committee and the Government should look at this as a whole. 51(c) says:-"
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