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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Listening to both sides, there is alleged evidence of a court ruling that has been shared by the counsel for the governor, and a citation of court rulings shared by the counsel for the County Assembly. As my colleagues have shared, there is a question of common practice globally that deals with the issue of fractions and then there is the law. The matter before us is not an easy one that can be prosecuted by making a simple decision of, for example, what you have been requested in the preliminary objection to make; that of, in the words of the counsel for the governor, on the basis of the argument of the threshold, to determine that there is no case to be heard by this Senate. It is important that the Senate, sitting as a jury and a quasi-judicial setting, to make that decision themselves, so that it also becomes a precedent-setting case, as mentioned by various colleagues of mine in the House, of governors appearing before this same Senate. Can you allow this Senate to make that decision by way of voting, so The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "that it becomes a precedent-setting rule, rather than taking the burden of making that decision? The people of Kericho County are expecting, the issue before this Senate to be listened to and adjudicated over by the entire Senate as to---"
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"content": " Sen. Mumma, please proceed."
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"content": "Thank you, Hon. Speaker, Sir, for giving me an opportunity to contribute to this. I wish to support sentiments by previous speakers, but wish to point out a very important issue when it comes to the Preliminary Objection Motion on the threshold. I would like to point out that in the past, when the threshold has been about gender, the math to round off to below the figure has sufficed. A point to demonstrate this is the County Assembly of Kericho. I wish to call upon our colleagues, to take note that the Kericho County Assembly has 47 Members, but only 16 are women. So, even as you make a decision, depending on what decision you make, we may have to nominate one more. I also wish to point out that in the bundle of evidence by the governor's team, they indicate that the Speaker was appointed by 31 votes to 16. It is something that you need to take note of. Thirdly, take note that the first Supreme Court of Kenya was not nullified, on the basis of the two-thirds gender rule. In fact, it was rounded off and actually allowed to sit, even though it had not reached the threshold of two-thirds gender. So please consider all these and let us not, when it is a gender issue, conveniently round it off the other way, but not on the other---"
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"content": " Sen. Nyutu, please proceed."
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I would like to give my contribution to the effect that all those that have spoken before me have said that the matter, number one, has already been settled and I need not address it. In reference to rounding off numbers, this is something that we were taught in the first lessons of numeracy, when we went to school. It is obvious, unless our teachers were wrong, that we round off to the nearest number. So, 31.3 can only be rounded off to 31. I therefore support the argument by the counsel for the Assembly, that the Assembly was properly constituted. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I would like to ask this House not to be invited to an exercise of splitting hairs. We should not be sitting here, arguing whether we should round off to the nearest number or not, because that is something, like I have said, that was sorted out many years ago, during our numeracy lessons. Regarding the validity of the court orders that were issued, and that have been cited by the counsel for the governor, the validity has been questioned. I do not know what then should be done before you make a ruling, but this matter is before the Senate. Like those that have spoken before me have said, it is only this House that can determine whether we are going to admit these preliminary objections and not you, Mr. Speaker. So, I would like to ask you, that you may rule that at the end of it, we may vote on this matter, so that we, as Senators, the members of this jury, decide by a vote, whether this matter should proceed or not. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "Mr. Speaker, Sir, please do not allow yourself to be the one making this decision, because if it were a committee, like Sen. Omogeni has said, you would not be sitting there---"
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"content": "ADJOURNMENT"
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"content": " Hon. Senators, it is now 1.15 p.m., and having concluded the business for which I extended the hours of sitting, pursuant to Standing Order No.34(2)(a), the Senate stands adjourned until today, Monday, 14th October, 2024, at 2.30 p.m."
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"content": "The Senate adjourned at 1.16 p.m."
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