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"content": " Sen. Omogeni proceed."
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. We are facing a very bad crisis. This afternoon a Senate of the Republic of Kenya is discussing a conduct of a governor who has refused to respond to summons issued by the Senate. Even in the most advanced democracies, you can never refuse to respond to summons of a House, more so a Senate. If you look at history, you will know what brought down President Richard Nixon. He was given summons by the Senate that was looking into his impeachment. The Senate ordered him to produce tapes that had some information on the Watergate scandal. He refused, went to court and waived immunity. The court sided with the Senate and directed him to tender those tapes to the Senate. It is the incriminating evidence in those tapes that made Richard Nixon to resign. If a President of a superpower like the United States of America (USA) can respect summons issued by an equivalent House - the Senate of the USA - what about this person called governor Guyo? We must rein in this character. We cannot accept the power and authority of this House to be whittled down. Sen. Cherarkey is a lawyer and he knows it. In fact, if you read the American Constitution, they do not have the kind of powers that we have as the Senate of the Republic of Kenya. The Constitution does not mention that the Senate of the USA is like a high court, like the way ours does. If need be, this person should be arrested and be brought here by none other than the Inspector- General of police. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, when you summon a governor, it is not a play game. We want to see some documents, information and records. How then can it be said we are a body that can oversight counties if we cannot have the privilege of asking for documents and they are brought to us? I am speaking with a lot of pain because this should not happen in a democracy, more so with a very progressive Constitution like the one we have. I hope we will go a little bit further and summon the Inspector-General of Police to appear here and tell us why he cannot arrest this governor and bring him before this House. We must show that we have teeth. We are not a toothless bulldog. We must demonstrate to governors, more so this governor Guyo of Isiolo County, that this House has got teeth and the powers equivalent to the High Court. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, if I get summons from the High Court, I will even skip tomorrows’ session. If I am summoned to appear before the High Court tomorrow, I will go running. That is what happens in the USA. When you receive subpoenas in the USA, you stop everything and respond, first, to the Senate. In fact, it is worse not to go, than receiving summons. I support that we need to do something. I support the passion with which the Senator of Isiolo County has fought to ensure that there is transparency. That she also The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "does her role of oversight effectively against a governor who thinks that he is a law unto himself. I support."
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"content": " Thank you, Senators. Let us proceed to the next Order, Clerk."
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"content": " Sen. Cherarkey, please proceed."
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, for this opportunity. I would like to support the Senate Standing Committee on Finance and Budget for this report. I agree with them that they should reject the amendments from the National Assembly. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I always get impressed by the Senate Standing Committee on Finance and Budget. I can see a number of Members in the House. This is authority. The last time they were supposed to cut down the money from Kshs401 billion to Kshs380 billion, they brought us a rejection that the counties should get Ksh401 billion. I support the Finance and Budget Committee. That the amendments that were done by the National Assembly are not in good faith. If the National Assembly had good faith, they should have cut their National Government Constituencies Development Fund (NG-CDF) money because it is unconstitutional and illegal. Even the Supreme Court has ruled it out. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, in fact, it is in my constitutional amendment of 2024, that I am trying to salvage the hanging on of the NG-CDF allocation under the budget. The upshot of this is in Article 202 of the Constitution of the Republic of Kenya where, you are trying to allocate additional funds to counties. Apart from equitable shareable revenue, there is additional funds and own-source revenue. We must agree as a nation that what the Finance and Budget Committee has done is impressive. We should support them. If you look at the Financial Year 2024/2025, counties were supposed to get additional funds of Kshs61.9 billion. However, the National Assembly cut that down to Kshs46.5 billion. Counties will lose almost Kshs15.4 billion which is very unfortunate because it will affect many programmes. Instead, we should be cut foreign travel, chai, mandazi, flowers and newspapers in our offices, then reallocate those funds to the counties. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, if, for example, the counties were to lose Kshs15.4 billion, if they cut it to Kshs46.5 billion, counties like the one we were discussing in Isiolo, Elgeyo, Marakwet, Nyamira, Tharaka Nithi, will lose Kshs528.1 million that was supposed to be used to support the construction of county headquarters. The reasoning behind the Senate was that these counties received the lowest allocation through shareable revenue. Therefore, we thought by giving them additional funds of Kshs528 million would assist them to build county headquarters. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "I remember we did visit Isiolo County. The construction of the headquarters was stopped. We went to Nyamira County, with Sen. Okong’o Omogeni - I wish he was listening. He was my lawyer when I was struggling in those days and he defended me. He took us to Nyamira County headquarters when governor Amos Nyaribo - may his soul rest in peace - was still the governor. We went there under the Devolution Committee."
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"content": "I am sorry, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I meant the late Nyagarama who was the governor, but passed on. My apologies, it was not intentional, but a slip of the tongue. Even yesterday, in the charges of a certain matter, there was also confusion on which door to get into. In reference to the mineral royalties, for example, in Nandi County, we have mining in Karebe Gold Mines. We have mining across Nandi County. The allocation of Kshs1.1 billion mining royalties, would have been significant. There is destruction of environment and pollution. We should have allowed Kshs1.1 billion allocation. Another important issue is the Road Maintenance Levy Fund, of Kshs10.5 billion. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, are you aware---"
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