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            "speaker_name": "Bonchari, UPA",
            "speaker_title": "Hon. Charles Onchoke",
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            "content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman, for giving me the opportunity to add my voice to this issue. If you look at the best practices worldwide, you do not necessarily need a PhD to lead a research institution. I support the Chairman of the Committee that a PhD should be an added advantage. Thank you."
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            "speaker_name": "Hon. Omboko Milemba",
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            "content": " Hon. Rindikiri."
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            "speaker_name": "Buuri, UDA",
            "speaker_title": "Hon. Mugambi Rindikiri",
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            "content": " I support the Chairman of the Committee. I was here during the deliberations, and it came out very clearly. The problem we have is that we think that having so many papers make one a very good manager. The position of CEO is a managerial responsibility. Demonstration through experience and your ability to articulate issues is what is required, as opposed to academic qualification per se ."
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            "speaker_name": "Hon. Omboko Milemba",
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                "legal_name": "Jeremiah Omboko Milemba",
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            "content": " Thank you. You have communicated and made your point. Finally, let me give an opportunity to Daktari, the Member for Seme. Hon. Kaluma will be the last person to speak on this, and then I will put the Question. You will have a chance to decide."
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            "speaker_name": "Seme, ODM",
            "speaker_title": "Hon. (Dr) James Nyikal",
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            "content": " Hon. Temporary Chairman, when it comes to research institution, one must give directions within their research, in which case you cannot have anything less than a PhD. The Board will give directions but, who writes the minutes of the meetings? Who makes the proposals? Who writes the papers to help the Board give directions? This country is suffering because professionals have “washed their hands” and do not want to be involved."
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            "speaker_name": "Hon. Omboko Milemba",
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            "content": " Daktari, we have heard you. Hon. Caroli Omondi, proceed."
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            "speaker_name": "Suba South, ODM",
            "speaker_title": "Hon. Caroli Omondi",
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            "content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. My preference would be that we retain the requirement for a PhD. We have had situations where people who are perceived by their peers not to be eminently qualified to lead are imposed on institutions of higher learning or even research institutions as leaders. There have been many professors at the Kenya School of Law. The late Prof. Ogendo never went there because he perceived that those who would teach him were his former students. If we cannot have the PhD qualification, then we should replace the term “added advantage” with the term “distinct advantage”. The Clause should state that a PhD will be a distinct advantage."
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            "speaker_name": "Hon. Omboko Milemba",
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                "legal_name": "Jeremiah Omboko Milemba",
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            "content": " Finally, let us go back to the coffee growers. Hon. Gichimu."
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            "speaker_name": "Gichugu, UDA",
            "speaker_title": "Hon. Gichimu Githinji",
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            "content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman."
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            "speaker_name": "Rarieda, ODM",
            "speaker_title": "Hon. (Dr) Otiende Amollo",
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            "content": " On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Chairman."
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