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"content": " Very well."
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"content": " So that it does not appear that a woman has been hired for gain, which is prohibited by the Conventions to which we are a party to. Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. Otherwise, I support the other Committee amendments."
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"content": "(Question of the amendment proposed)"
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"content": " Very well. Hon. Millie."
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"speaker_name": "Suba North, ODM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Millie Odhiambo-Mabona",
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"content": " Chair, whereas I may not have a problem with the proposed amendments by Hon. Kaluma, who, if I got correctly, seeks to delete sub-clauses (a), (b) and (c), the clauses that he seeks to delete provide a framework for the protection and advancement of assistive reproductive technology services for every person, create an enabling environment for the education of infertility and subfertility in Kenya, and ensure access to quality and comprehensive assistive reproductive technology services. Even though I may have no problem with this as a further amendment, I have a problem with the deletion. I do not see what is wrong with providing a framework for assistive technology. The problem we have in our country is that without a framework, the assistive reproductive technology is subject to abuse. It has no regulation or framework. We are not here to just provide for surrogacy, but also to provide a framework to regulate that sector. If we do not regulate that sector, then people will end up misusing it. My aim with Hon. Kaluma is similar. Sometimes, you may be on the same path, but think that you are on the wrong path. My aim is to ensure that the process does not take advantage of couples who are trying to get assistive reproduction. For example, without a framework, one person can donate even a hundred times, resulting to children who are related, but do not know each other. This is why we need a framework. I would encourage Hon. Kaluma to move his as a further amendment, but drop the deletion."
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"content": " Hon. Irene."
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"speaker_title": "Hon. Irene Mayaka",
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"content": " Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Chairman."
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"speaker_title": "Hon. Irene Mayaka",
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"content": "I also support Hon. Kaluma’s amendments. However, as Hon. Millie says, we are deleting the intent of this Bill if we delete Clause 4(a), (b) and (c). They speak to what the Bill is supposed to cure. Hon. Kaluma is proposing amendments that are deleting the framework that is created by Clause 4(a), (b) and (c). I also feel that we should have further amendments that do not delete Clause 4(a), (b) and (c)."
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"content": " Very well. Let me hear Hon. Caroli on this. I wonder what you were doing during winnowing. We should have really agreed on this."
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"content": "(Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose spoke off the record)"
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