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"content": "[The Speaker (Hon. Moses Wetang’ula) left the Chair]"
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"content": "In conclusion, I wish to thank our county governments and governors. They have been doing a credible job. They have been trying their best under the financial circumstances we are in. This is even more reason why there is no need for any House or any leader to fight against each other because we are all pulling in the same direction. When the NG-CDF builds classrooms for Junior Secondary Schools (JSS) and our counties support healthcare, and when county governments collaborate with the national Government on projects like industrial parks, all these efforts serve the people of Kenya. Under our watch, we have chosen not to disenfranchise ourselves as the Mediation Committee by pointing fingers at anyone. The financial challenges we face are not the creation of any one individual or group; they are simply a reflection of the state of the economy. This is why we were able to reach a good conclusion. As for the issue of revenue shortfalls, I know the governors expected more than what could be delivered, especially in terms of their own-source revenues. While the national Government collects revenue, county governments also collect their own revenue. Hon."
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"content": "The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "Speaker, even when the Commission on Revenue Allocation tries to project own-source revenues, there are always shortfalls. This is understandable, as when there is a shortfall in one area, it is likely to be symmetrical because we are dealing with the same economy. The shortfall in revenue targets that we experience at the national level is the same challenge faced by county governments. This calls all of us—this House, county assemblies, the National Treasury, and County Executive Committee Members of Finance in our county governments… I think it is better to project less than more. It is better to deal with the surplus when it appears than deficit when it accentuates itself like in this situation. Just a snapshot, this is how it happens. When we pass a Budget like the Ksh3.88 trillion one we have, revenue is on one side and expenditure on the other side. You know that government is a revolving door. For the pensions civil servants are paid, as an example of before I joined the Budget and Appropriations Committee, I used to think there is a bank account to which your deducted money is deposited. I am sure that is what most people think. However, there is no such a kitty. Government is a revolving door. There is no granary even for deducted pension itself. All these monies are the monies we collect as taxes every day. Even for persons who retired 15 years ago, there is no deducted money in any bank account. It is the taxes we are collecting today that pays their pensions today."
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"content": "Therefore, I was trying to talk about hierarchy. Consolidated Fund Services (CFS), especially interest rates and debts, is the number one thing the National Treasury pays when it receives revenue. Salaries for civil servants is the second thing they pay. Pensions is the other thing they pay. The other thing is the recurrent expenditure. Development is the last thing the National Treasury ends up funding when we collect revenue. Therefore, the development kitty bears all the shortfall when there is a shortfall in projected revenue. That is why we are requesting the National Treasury, even in this Report, to project revenues that are cognisant to reality or reflect it. That is so that we do not find ourselves in years at lapse without projects being adequately and fully funded."
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"content": "Otherwise, I thank you and all Members of the Mediation Committee in both the National Assembly and the Senate. I thank the leadership of this House. I request the Leader of the Majority Party, Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah, to second this Motion."
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker."
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"content": "Allow me to, first, thank our Chair of the Budget and Appropriations Committee who also co-chaired the Mediation Committee between us and the other House. I thank all Members of this House and the Senators who engaged in this very rigorous mediation process."
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"content": "Every mediated Bill is a question of give and take. I must even thank the Senators who had otherwise taken a very intransigent position of standing with governors to ask for Ksh400 billion. I must thank them for eventually seeing the light and appreciating that resources are not there as much as we all desire of giving even beyond Ksh400 billion shillings to our counties. Since we all live in this country, we know what happened with the loss of the Finance Bill. The projected revenues are not the same as at the time the first Division of Revenue Bill was being done. Allocations had to be reviewed downwards because of the loss of the Finance Bill of 2024/2025. In that give and take spirit, I thank the Senate together with the Council of Governors (CoG). I know they may not be very satisfied with the figure of Ksh387.425 billion going to counties but it is a great improvement. This now constitutes 24.67 per cent, almost 25 per cent, of the last audited accounts. I think they are audited accounts of the year 2021. Progressively, it tells you that the money going to our county governments is increasing every year. Indeed, it was the spirit of this House and the Government to give our counties Ksh400 billion. You remember we had a similar significant increase in shareable revenue going to our counties during the year 2020/2021. We increased county shareable revenue by Ksh50 billion in one"
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