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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Speaker. First, let me commend the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Health and all the Members of the Committee for the excellent work they did following your instructions in Naivasha."
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"content": "Indeed, the Committee and the Ministry officials have gone to great lengths. I listened to what the Chairman and Hon. (Dr) Hon. Nyikal said and agreed with them on all the issues. Many transitional issues need to be addressed. We encourage the SHA management and Ministry officials to ensure these issues are resolved. People should be well-informed in advance on what they need to do. If there is anything that has suffered the negativity we have experienced in the country, it is the SHA. Unfortunately, as you have said several times in other fora, it is sad that even we, the political class, have contributed to this negativity and misinformation. It is especially disheartening when a Member of Parliament stands up at a public forum and says things he knows are for political expediency without knowing whether they are referring to SHA, SHE, SHO or SHU. What they call SHA, SHE, SHO and SHU, as Members of Parliament, whether in this House or the other House, relate to the four laws passed by Members of Parliament in both Houses. There is no single provision in those four laws that was not considered and adopted by this House and the other House. It is, therefore, very embarrassing to hear a Member of Parliament saying \"sha, she, shi, sho, shu,\" yet they were part and parcel of enacting those laws. Leadership calls for what Hon. Nyikal and the Chairman said. There are issues that the Ministry and the SHA management ought to address. Top among these issues is the question of pending bills. If you listen to the conversation in the country on pending bills, you may imagine that pending bills only pertain to SHA. Nobody tells Kenyans that 99 per cent of the pending bills were inherited from the defunct NHIF. Out of the Ksh19 billion inherited from the defunct NHIF, Ksh9 billion had been paid by January. The remaining Ksh10 billion are bills undergoing verification. The Chairman will tell you that from the engagement with the Ministry of Health and the SHA management, quite a number of those bills are fraudulent. Because corruption fights back, the corrupt are so vicious that their lies and propaganda take centre stage ahead of the truth and factual information. If there is anything that the Departmental Committee on Health paid attention to immensely while considering the Supplementary Appropriations Bill, it is to ensure the SHA management has adequate resources to ensure proper information gets to the public. It is embarrassing to see even bishops pontificating on pending bills as if the faith-based hospitals owed by the defunct NHIF just sprung up when SHA came into existence. The bishops are pontificating and telling us not to advertise what the Government is doing. When you are a bishop, you go to church every Sunday to advertise the good work of the Lord by preaching to good people to convert and become good Christians. It is the same for a government. The Government is in the business of delivering services, and our Constitution obligates us to ensure that Kenyans have access to the right information. Some of the people pontificating out there are pained by the truth that even faith-based hospitals presented fraudulent claims, which were flagged out during the verification process. The bishops pontificate to make Kenyans believe that the Government is not doing anything to address the problems that bedevil even the faith-based hospitals. They want to make the whole world believe that since the advent of SHA, no pending bills have been paid, yet 50 per cent of the bills that have been verified have been settled. It is only right to plead to our bishops who run hospitals, as much as they may not like this administration, to give credit where it is due. As you pontificate about the fight against corruption, speak about corruption and fraudulent claims from the defunct NHIF being raised by faith-based hospitals. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "This week, the Association of Private Health Hospitals and the Rural Private Health Association called their members to go on strike because of the pending bills. I am glad that when I checked with the SHA management this morning, they told me that as of yesterday when the strike kicked off, 1,700 private hospitals that are members of those associations were already logged into the system and offering services to Kenyans. In the spirit of trade unions and politics of leadership of associations, it is good to be seen agitating for things. Those associations must know that healthcare is not a matter to joke with. Joking with healthcare matters would be joking with the lives of Kenyans. Regarding relaying proper and accurate information to Kenyans, I encourage the Committee, the SHA management and the Ministry of Health to consider enhancing the publicity and advertising budget for SHA. Partly, Kenyans are being misled because they have not been given factual information, especially on primary healthcare and the referral healthcare system. If you go to the United Kingdom, the National Health Service (NHS) works under a referral system. As Hon. Nyikal said, one may walk into a primary healthcare facility, and his entire Bill is settled. However, when someone else walks into a referral hospital, his Bill is not fully catered for. This confusion arises because many do not understand that the process begins at a primary healthcare facility, from where patients are referred through the system to Level 4, 5 or 6 hospitals. Hon. Speaker, I encourage the Committee to continue working with the Ministry and the SHA management to address the imperfections in this system. Universal health coverage has been elusive in this country. We have been talking about it since you were in the Cabinet under the able leadership of the late President Mwai Kibaki. During Mwai Kibaki’s regime, we attempted to roll out universal health care, but it came a cropper because of negativity. President Uhuru Kenyatta also tried. Again, because of the noise and negativity you hear today, he had to run away from it. It was abandoned after being implemented in only four counties— Kisumu, Isiolo, Machakos, and Nyeri. We do not have the luxury of time to abandon the quest for universal health coverage at the altar of political expediency. We must encourage President William Ruto, the SHA management, the Cabinet Secretary in charge of health and our own Departmental Committee on Health to midwife this process with courage, knowing that what they are doing is good for Kenyans. At the end of the day, when we are assured of universal health coverage, every Kenyan will live a peaceable, healthy and productive life. With those remarks, I support the Report by the Chairman."
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"content": "Hon. Pukose, most of the five interventions have been complimentary to the Report. You need to remain engaged, keep having meetings with the SHA management and the Ministry, and continue bringing appraisal reports to the House from time to time, whether requested or not, to keep the House and the country informed on the progress. I have read the Report. It covers almost all matters of concern to the public, Members of this House and even to the Ministry itself. Together with your colleagues, like Dr Nyikal, continue working on how to improve. More importantly, communicate to the public. Avoid unhelpful cynicism. Members of the public should know where to go and what services to expect. Challenges will always be there in life. If there are challenges, how do you handle them so people do not keep talking as if a challenge means failure? Where there are challenges, deal with them. I will not necessarily invite you to respond. The statements were complimentary to your Statement. Next Order."
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"content": " On a point of order, Hon. Chair."
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"content": "Which Chair are you addressing?"
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"content": " I take that back, Hon. Speaker."
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"content": "Very well. Proceed. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": " Hon. Speaker, it has often been said that this House does not legislate in vain. We raise Questions here expecting remedies. We do not expect less from your pronouncements. A fortnight ago, you directed the Leader of the Majority Party to avail a report under the custody of the Ministry of Public Service, Performance and Delivery Management regarding appraisal on hardship allowance areas. You gave only five days for a response. We are now at a fortnight, and the Report has not been made available to the House. The substantive Leader of the Majority Party was not present on that day. However, you directed Hon. Baya to pursue it and bring it to this House so that you give direction on the next course of action. Fortunately, as the substantive Speaker, you are present today. I believe that our indomitable Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah has the Report ready for presentation."
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