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"speaker_name": "Kabondo Kasipul, ODM",
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"content": " Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. My colleague here is begging me to talk for a very short time so that he can also get a chance. At the outset, let me add my voice to support the Bill. The Bill seeks to provide a legal framework for the disbursement of additional funds to county governments in Kenya. We know that these funds go beyond the equitable share as stipulated in the Constitution. These funds are supposed to go to specific projects or programmes that aim to enhance service delivery at the county level. We have given the money, but the biggest question is, where is the weakest link? We have a problem in some counties. Previously, municipalities raised their funds, paid their employees and ran programmes. We now have counties that are mirrored along the lines of the national Government. Where is the weakest link? It is the implementation of all the active programmes. We need to strengthen our control mechanism. There is a lot of wastage in most of the counties. The control mechanism seems not to be there, yet we have the Auditor-General and the Controller of Budget who should make sure that resources are prudently utilised. Why do we have pending bills? Why do we have pending bills on programmes that have been budgeted for, and monies released or disbursed by the National Treasury? We are aware that the release of funds usually comes late and probably, that is why by the end of a financial year, we find that only less than 30 per cent has been used on development. That is not their problem. But when the money is finally released, what happens? Why then do we have those pending bills? Why can the governors not pay the suppliers for services rendered against the monies that they are given? We are not going to get into many details, but it is about time sanctions were put in place. Where a governor does not pay a supplier or pay for a service that has been rendered against a budget that was approved and money disbursed, the governor must be held to account and charged. This is why we have a lot of problems. People have been impoverished in counties and suppliers have died because they took loans against their properties that have been sold because of monies that were not paid for a service that was given. These are questions we must answer and think about as Legislators. We cannot continue giving monies that are not put into proper use. Thank you very much. Once again, I support, but with those conditions. We must look at the things that affect service delivery after monies have been released to counties. Thank you very much."
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"content": " Hon. Joshua Kimilu."
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"speaker_name": "Kaiti, WDM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Joshua Kimilu",
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"content": " Thank you Hon. Temporary Speaker for giving me this opportunity. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"speaker_name": "Kaiti, WDM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Joshua Kimilu",
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"content": "I want to thank my colleague for being nice to me. I also do not want to take a lot of time because I know more Members want to contribute to this Bill. I support this Bill on Additional Allocation to the Counties. As we add counties money, we know very well that there is a lot of corruption in our country, and in some of the counties. When we go through the Auditor-General's report, there are a lot of irregularities in our counties. We want to warn the governors as we fight for them to get additional allocation. We also need to have accountability in our counties and this needs a lot of oversight by our Senators. This is the time we want to tell our Senators to wake up. A lot has been happening in our counties, and it seems there is not enough oversight in place. Corruption causes a lot of problems in this country. As a Member of Wiper Democratic Movement, we are now the official opposition. Before, we were together with the Orange Democratic Party (ODM) but it is now in bed with the Government. So, I know, the oversight role…"
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"content": " Hon. Joshua Kimilu, order. Under which Article of the Constitution is this thing called official opposition created?"
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"content": " I cannot say it is in the Constitution, but if you look at the way things are…"
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"content": " Let us speak about anything that is not within the law outside the gate of this law-making institution. Proceed."
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"content": "Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. If we go to constituencies, we can count the projects done by the NG-CDF because they are visible. But when it comes to counties, the wage bill is too high such that we do not have any development in some of the counties. This is why we are saying that as we support this Bill, a lot has to be done by these counties because we do not want wastage of the resources in our country. We need to see our people get services, and this will also help this country move forward. There is a big problem of Early Childhood Development (ECD) classes, a function that is under the counties, and is a mandate of the governors. As we add allocation to them, we also need to see work done. There was an outcry when we talked about bursaries. If we add allocation to counties, we can come together with the governors and give bursaries to our students. This can help the society. So, I support this Bill. Some counties in arid and semi-arid areas need a lot of development in water and roads. I went to Wajir County and I was shocked to see that there is no electricity and there is a problem of water. The additional allocation can be used for these projects to benefit our people, uplift them and alleviate poverty level in our counties. I came up with a Social Workers Professional Bill, which will soon become law. I want to thank this House for supporting my Bill very well. I am an excited man. We see how social workers in our counties suffer by getting peanuts. Once this Bill becomes law, I will be in the front-line campaigning for them to be paid well. They do a lot of work in our hospitals, health centres, and even in our villages. They go around helping people. These are the people who need to be well paid and given good allowances to do the job. Let me say something about collection of taxes in our counties. I do not know what the problem is. Some of the counties collect a lot of money, but there are some loopholes which need to be sealed. This is serious. I talk about good oversight because I know how our people are suffering in the villages. We have devolution which we need to see work in our areas. We also see how some contractors cry in the streets. When I was in the village, on my way, I met a contractor who worked in a certain county. It is now ten years, but he is yet to be paid. These are things we do not want to hear. When we allocate more money, we also need accountability from the counties. They need to give priority to some of these things. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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