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"content": " Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I join you on behalf of the House and our colleagues, those that are in the Chamber, to welcome this visiting delegation of students from the TUK. The university is closest to this House. I hope that they get to enjoy their time with us and learn a thing or two about debate. What they are presently witnessing is a debate on a Bill that is before this House, that is the Heritage and Museums Bill (Senate Bills No.8 of 2023). It is a a privately sponsored Bill. That is why Members have the opportunity and time to deliberate on it. I am sure if they had come earlier, they would have observed something else. I wish them well in their studies. I will always remind them that they are the leaders that we are looking forward to pass the baton of leadership to them. Therefore, I take every opportunity like now to prepare them because soon the baton of leadership will be in their hands, so that they can take Kenya to greater heights. I thank you."
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Senator. Proceed, Sen. Peris Tobiko."
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"content": "The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. Let me also join the Senate Majority Leader to, first, welcome the students from the TUK and say that some of them are personally known to me. They are most welcome to watch the debates in this House, learn more and even claim some ownership of belonging to this House because later in the future, they will be the ones on this Floor. Madam Temporary Speaker, thank you for the opportunity to contribute and to support the Heritage and Museums Bill (Senate Bills No.8 of 2023). One time I was honoured to be appointed a board member of the National Museums of Kenya (NMK). I learned a lot of things that go on at the NMK than just the conservation and storage of old artefacts and many other things from our heritage. There is also a lot of research that goes on at the NMK. You will find the most learned Kenyans, probably who have spent over 30 years on research. They are doing a lot of great things which may not have come out to the public to be known. At that time, the Chair of our board was Issa Timamy, the current Governor of Lamu County. Madam Temporary Speaker, various researches go on at the museum about diseases, plants, animals and so on. If we were to take time and know what goes on at our museum, we will appreciate the existence of the NMK. This Bill comes at the right time to address a number of issues that make the museums more valuable to Kenyans. Our devolved units now have a chance in participating, securing and conserving our heritage, traditions and cultural artefacts. This is because museums are part of the devolved functions. Additionally, I am proud to belong to a community that are naturally conservators. We have preserved our culture, traditions, dressing and cultural orientation. We have marketed this country called Kenya. We have given it a face and a name internationally. Madam Temporary Speaker, it is also good that for those communities that have held and conserved what is African, Kenyan and what has given us an identity, to have a way in which they can earn from it. They can earn royalties from what they have conserved over the years. I have seen in the Kikuyu community that you come from, beautiful dresses that most of the times you use for ‘ruracio’ and some of those cultural functions. This is part of our beautiful heritage and things that we should conserve. The Kambas’ still have their"
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"content": "and all that. I am sure every community has something that they would want to preserve. We have a rich heritage in this country, not just of tourist sites, like in Kisumu or the western region. I am sure Sen. M. Kajwang’ will tell us a lot of what is in Homa Bay, Migingo and all those areas. I have heard of the stone called Kit-Mikayi and I would want to reach there. In Naivasha, there is the Hells Gate and all that. Certainly, this country is rich. Madam Temporary Speaker, there is also what we have lost because of the western influence. Our cultures were rich and orderly. Even without the Constitution, there is a way my community would run its affairs. We have silent unwritten laws that would apply. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "If you steal livestock, there is punishment for that. The punishment is completely prohibitive and a deterrence measure so that you do not repeat that kind of thing. If you murder someone, it is handled in a way that will make it impossible or difficult for someone else to repeat that kind of act. I wish we had conserved our traditional laws, including the unwritten ones. There should be a way to conserve these traditions because our children may not have a chance of getting to know that beautiful and rich side of our history. I was also suggesting that counties should start cultural events. Some have already started. I have seen Narok, Kajiado and Samburu counties have started cultural events. Those events will help bring back the face of the community that is getting lost. I support this Bill because it will go a long way in preserving our heritage. In fact, I have seen that we are slowly losing our traditional houses. I was brought up in a traditional Maasai home. Today, I tell my children a story because things have changed. Our ways of living have changed and those Maasai manyatas have gone. It is sad that we are losing them. There should be a way for us to retain them. When we visited Turkey sometime last year, I realised they still have their very old buildings. It is not that they are unable to change, but they do not want to lose buildings that have a family history. There are lot of things that they do not want to lose. I wish we can also hold with value and respect our history, culture and traditions. When we sometimes cross the border to go to the sides of Arusha, Tanzania, I feel bad and blame the colonialists for the artificial boundaries. Across the border, I see our brothers and community. From Arusha all the way to Ngorongoro, Moshi, Boma Ng’ombe, extending to Samburu, Narok and Kajiado counties was a whole country of our own. I am imagining we would have had a nation of our own. That does not to exclude any Kenyans. However, the artificial colonial boundaries should not have come to separate us and bring differences in nationalities. Today, we have Tanzanian brothers and I need a passport to go to Tanzania. We lost a lot because of the influence of the western cultures that came to distort our way of living. I support this Bill with all my energy and passion because I believe it will help us to secure and protect that which is valuable to us. We have also lost a lot of our heritage. We are told we need to patent. If you do not patent, you will find somebody using the Maasai mangik or traditional decorations and ornaments that we wear. They are used elsewhere, but you cannot claim they are yours because someone went ahead of you and patented it. By then, we did not know what patenting was all about. It is coming up now. We cannot lose what is ours in the name of patenting. Madam Temporary Speaker, I support this Bill. Thank you very much."
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"content": " Thank you, Sen. Peris. Sen. Kajwang’ Moses Otieno, the Senator for Homa Bay County, proceed."
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"content": "Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I rise to support the Heritage and Museums Bill (Senate Bills No.8 of 2023) brought by Sen. Recha Julius Murgor. This is a very detailed Bill. If you look at the Memorandum of Objects and Reasons, it has a lot of detail. It is quite obvious that Sen. Murgor applied his mind and The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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