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"content": "I really do not understand the stories. I have asked you a question and you are asking me again the same question. Please tell us the timeline. Will they stay for another ten years, or they will be back in the next year?"
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"content": "Secondly, these people have been in Ethiopia for quite a long time. I want the Prime Cabinet Secretary to tell us when was the last time that officers from his office visited them in Ethiopia; if they have even done so."
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"content": "Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Sir."
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"content": " Prime Cabinet Secretary, you may now proceed to respond to those two supplementary questions."
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"content": " Mr. Speaker, Sir, I just wish to explain myself that I will make a fairly broad statement because the issue of the refugees is a very complex matter. I want to say that consultations and negotiations are going on. We should appreciate that when you are dealing with refugees, it has to be voluntary. There can be no forced repatriation. So, these discussions are going on between the Government of Kenya, the Government of Ethiopia and the UNHCR. This is the reality of the matter. For what it is worth, I just want to point out that we would not want Kenyans to be refugees anywhere. If we had all the resources and all the planning, it would not necessarily take this long for the refugees to be repatriated. However, remember you have to do it voluntarily because any forced repatriation would be contrary to international law and matters of humanitarian rights. So, we cannot force. That is why there is an elaborate process, which I put in my statement, about preparing documentation and ensuring that the individuals and the households voluntarily accede to repatriation."
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"content": "The second one is that our Department of Refugees is in touch and is seized of this matter. So, I can only say that we will continue working systematically to be able to do that. The final thing is that in Kenya, as an example, we have a similar situation in a place like Dadaab and we have a similar situation in Kakuma; handling challenges also as a spillover from other countries. Therefore, it is a big challenge in matters of refugees. I just want to request the hon. Senator and the House to appreciate that this is a process. We have to do it so that we are not in breach of any laws and to also make sure that the requisite resources are available to facilitate the smooth movement of the Kenyans who are out in Ethiopia."
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"content": " Prime Cabinet Secretary, if I got the hon. Senator for Marsabit, correct, you have indicated in your response that there are 4,993 refugees who are willing to return back. These are not coerced. Already, they have expressed their willingness to return home. Is there any programme that has been put in place, including timelines, when the 4,993 will return home, so that we can deal with the others later? For the 4,993, is there a programme, including timelines, when they will be brought back home?"
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"content": " Mr. Speaker, Sir, on the 4,900 that I have given and The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "disclosed, we have reached this after a very elaborate process that is ongoing of making sure that we are systematic in this process. That is how we have arrived at this figure. In terms of timelines, that is something that I can seek the indulgence of the House to get further clarification from the Department of Refugees, if they can be more specific on the timelines. However, I can still maintain that they will be largely indicative timelines. They may not be those that are firmly cast in stone. They could be indicative."
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"content": " Thank you. Senator Nyutu, you may proceed."
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