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"content": " Sen. Mungatana. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "Mr. Speaker, Sir, thank you for the Floor. On 12th July, 2005, the Turbi Massacre took place and this is the basis upon which these refugees ran away to Ethiopia. Mr. Speaker, Sir, it was a very sad moment for this country because 56 people are reported to have died. This country has a responsibility for the safety and the life of every Kenyan. What I want to hear from the Cabinet Secretary is have you compensated the 56 people who were killed because of the clash between the Gabra and the Borana? What programmes have you put since then to at least put back the people to where they were? Mr. Speaker, Sir, there has been a very serious - how do I call it - ignoring and disregarding the northern lands in this country and the lives of the people who live there. They do not count. If that had happened here in Nairobi or in the counties around, there would have been a different reaction. Now we are talking almost 20 years later. No programme, no compensation. Can the Cabinet Secretary tell us exactly what programmes the Government is putting in to help our Kenyans and how much money has been set aside to compensate these families? I submit, Mr. Speaker, Sir."
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"content": " Prime Cabinet Secretary, you may now proceed to respond to those questions."
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"content": " Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. First, I will just talk to the issue of Shirika Plan. I want to state that there is still a lot of conversation that is taking place between the Government, the UNHCR and the host communities where the refugees are placed. Specifically, if I talk to Kakuma and Dadaab. Kenyans may need to be reminded in certain circles, not here, but out there, that we have had refugees who have stayed in these camps for as many as 35 to 36 years. Some have been born there. Some have no idea where their parents migrated from and whether they know where they would be going if they went back. In both camps, this is a challenge that we still face. The second aspect is that, I think it should be on record that even as we speak, the situation in South Sudan is getting worse. We are beginning to see, another inflow at the rate of about 20 refugees per day. So, we are beginning to see certain circumstances that are giving us challenges. We still remain with challenges of the Al-Shabaab and the conflict around the Somali side. We also have sporadic conflicts along the Marsabit-Ethiopia border from time to time. So, there is a serious security issue that has to be looked at regionally, but also internally by the Kenyan security forces. The Shirika plan was formally launched. We are actively engaging to ensure that as the policy development process progresses, we maximize the benefits for the people of Kenya. As someone mentioned in relation to differentiated assistance, it is true that means testing was conducted in some of these camps. This involved assessing the well- The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "being or economic status of refugees, which then determined the level of rations allocated to certain families compared to others. These are issues that, if not managed well, can also create a lot of tension in the refugee camps. This may be part of the reason that there could have been some challenges recently in Kakuma Refugee Camp amongst others. I would like to emphasize that, we, as a Government, do not want to participate in any programme that is fully funded by us. We can only handle our position in the context of international obligations. If the refugees are going to be here, then institutions like the UNHCR, World Food Programme (WFP) and other organisations supporting this programme will need to be engaged and urged to contribute more effectively. This will ensure that Kenya's resources are not fully deployed for that. Secondly, we do not want to have a situation where communities feel that refugees are enjoying a better quality of life than Kenyan citizens. These are very delicate conversations that keep going on between us, UNHCR and the host communities where the refugees reside. It would be wrong if I made all these statements without appreciating the generosity and the humanitarian nature of the communities that have hosted these refugee camps for 35 to 36 years. It is not an easy undertaking. It brings a lot of pressure on the resources in those areas. Another important aspect is the integration of refugees, which must be approached carefully. Our goal is to transition away from a situation where refugees are drawing from Kenyan resources. They must be placed in a position where they can contribute to growing the wealth of this country, rather than taking from the people of Kenya. The whole Shirika plan is premised on these basic principles and a few others. Another point I would like to touch on is that hon. Boni Khalwale highlighted the ongoing issue of protracted insecurity in these regions as well as recounting the loss of many honourable Kenyans due to this conflict. Additionally, hon. Mungatana raised the issue of compensation. I want to be very candid about this issue and not to belittle the challenges we are facing, but the truth is that insecurity persists in certain regions. This insecurity often stems from disputes over pasture, ethnicity or scramble for resources in those areas. We have given an example of Marsabit. You will also recall the recent loss of General Ogola in Baringo, who was on a mission addressing internal conflicts. Mr. Speaker, Sir, we still have significant work to do to address cultural practices and provide meaningful alternatives that enable people to earn a proper livelihood without causing loss of lives. I want to point out the efforts being made by the Government in Marsabit to open up the areas. The development of the road network that we all know, which is making significant progress, will eventually extend further and connect to Garissa. This massive investment undertaken jointly by the Government of Kenya and the World Bank is designed to create more economic opportunities and facilitate growth in the region. It is not the intention of the Government of Kenya to neglect or disregard anyone. The challenge lies in acquiring more resources and deploying them progressively to these areas. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "I would like to emphasize, hon. Muthama that I concur with the Speaker that is an entirely different matter. Internally displaced Kenyans, for other reasons, are tackled separately and not in the context of the refugee programme. That would have to be taken up as a completely separate question. When discussing resources, I hope I have partly addressed the concerns raised by Sen. Beatrice regarding the state of basic resources in Ethiopia. In Ethiopia, I cannot claim that the resources are very elaborate. As we all know the refugee situation limits what the host government can achieve within the constraints of their budgetary resources. Consequently, we cannot fully guarantee what the Ethiopian Government is able or unable to provide within the refugee camps. However, the priority remains accelerating the relocation of Kenyan refugees from Ethiopia. The message I am taking from here is that resources need to be set aside urgently to be able to undertake this challenge. There are issues regarding the compensation of victims that require further scrutiny. I do not wish to make generalized statements at this point. Instead, we will review these issues and provide more specific, detailed and accurate information in due course. Mr. Speaker, Sir, some of the questions raised are interconnected. Regarding bilateral labour agreements, I would like to note that this is a work in progress. However, we are ready to submit a report to Parliament outlining the number of bilateral agreements that have been finalized and those still under negotiation. This will ensure that the Senate has access to this information. Mr. Speaker, Sir, let me take away the issue of timelines. After further consultations, we will respond with more clarity because we need to get a little more accurate information from the State Department that deals with refugees."
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"content": "On the issue of Munyakho and the plight of other Kenyans in Saudi Arabia, we are happy that there is light at the end of the tunnel for Stephen Munyakho. The legal processes in Saudi Arabia are still ongoing, so that the justice system there can do all the procedural steps before he is finally given an opportunity to come to Kenya. I just want to say that the Muslim World League (MWL) is the one that made the contribution. Our Embassy is closely in touch to try and assist, so that this process is concluded. Indeed, there are many other Kenyans facing challenges, not just in Saudi Arabia, but also in other parts of the world as well. We are also in negotiations on the issue of children born in Saudi Arabia out of wedlock and it has become a challenge. As you said, it is taken seriously there. The Kenyan Embassy and also the Government are trying to engage to see if a formula can be found to allow those who are confirmed to be of Kenyan descent to be given the necessary accreditation for them to enjoy their citizenship as we go forward. However, it is a challenge that we face."
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"content": "Sen. Maanzo raised something about Kenya Airways (KQ) picking people and taking them to Germany. There cannot be forced repatriation or movement of refugees. If somebody anywhere has been allowed to board a plane and fly to another place, it is because their papers are valid. Otherwise, they will not be able to leave and go to another country. So, there is no forceful ejection and migration of any Kenyans or even refugees The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "that has been done by the Kenyan Government. I think there is some misinformation somewhere."
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"content": "Thank you."
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