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"content": "She is in that Committee and she is also a lawyer. So, it is like lawyers have sat together to review a petition that has been brought to this House. To simplify this Petition that was brought by Mr. Laban; Mr. Laban has found out that lawyers are making a killing through county assemblies. Lawyers are coming up with all sorts of services that they would like to render to the county assemblies. They have a very strong relationship; either a marriage or a mpango wa kando, which they have said they are going to work together. Mr. Laban, being an active Kenyan citizen who wants to see this country going in the right direction, has realised that we are losing a lot of money through this arrangement where, county governments are hiring lawyers to execute even just simple matters such as representation and mentions in courts and charging an arm and a leg. It has become a sort of a pool of cartels. Madam Temporary Speaker, I am pretty sure that when Mr. Laban brought this Petition to this Upper House, where he knew we were going to thoroughly look into this issue, he did not expect that it is the same lawyers who are going to receive that Petition. He did not expect that it is the same people who are making a killing, or at least are part of that industry, who are going to receive it."
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"content": " What is your point of order, Sen. Osotsi?"
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"content": "Madam Temporary Speaker, I do not want to have trouble with my good sister, Sen. Orwoba, but you know the rules of this House. Is it in order for her to impute improper motives on the colleagues without a substantive motion?"
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"content": " Sen. Gloria, I know you have insinuated that this matter was taken to JLAC, where a number of the the Senators who sit there are equally distinguished counsels. I know it is a dicey situation. Nonetheless, you should avoid imputing bad motive on the lawyers who sit in that Committee. You can proceed on with debating, but do not insinuate. I have heard of the strong marriage relationship or mpango wa kando . Actually, the mpango wa kando context is equally unparliamentary language, unless we are described for what mpango wa kando is. I believe you are using the English language, which does not have those two words. Thank you, proceed."
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"content": "Madam Temporary Speaker, I withdraw the mpango wa"
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"content": "because it is Swahili and under our Standing Orders, you pick one language. I picked English and so, I will go by English. Madam Temporary Speaker, I meant to say that it is an arrangement of some sort, like a second wife, a mistress or a person outside of a partnership that is official. It was a metaphor, because of what has been elaborated by this Petition by Mr. Laban. If you are a student of some of the schools that we have gone to, the Group of Schools such The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "as St. George's, you will know that metaphors are just used to elaborate a situation. However, I withdraw the mpango wa kando . Under Standing Order No.105, you are supposed to restrict yourself to statements of fact. It is a fact that the JLAC Committee is constituted of Members who, majority of them, are practicing lawyers with law firms. So, I do not think I have crossed any line."
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"content": " Yes, that is a statement of fact. The problem is imputing of the bad motive; that should be distinguished from the reference to them being lawyers. It is okay, they are lawyers; that is a statement of fact. I agree and it is in order, understanding Standing Order No.105. The problem is the nexus of the lawyers with bad motive, unless you have evidence to support the bad motive. That is the gist of the objection being raised by Sen. Osotsi."
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"content": "Madam Temporary Speaker, I stand guided. However, my point is very strong. What I am trying to say is that if a matter is brought to this Floor, and it is a discussion on a specific area of interest, where as a Member--- In fact, if the clerks can assist me, there is a Standing Order where Members are supposed to openly say that they cannot discuss a matter because they might have conflicting interest. What I want the public to know is that I am disappointed that when the Petition was brought to this House, it was quickly directed to the JLAC Committee. My point here being that we are having an issue where we are saying there are legal firms and lawyers who have become over-ambitious. They have decided that they would rather even take 10 per cent of work from a specific area, a majority of their work being from the county assemblies. As much as we want to skirt around this issue and go with the Standing Orders, if we were to interrogate the beneficiaries of the over Kshs1 billion that is coming from the Nairobi City County, some of the lawyers who are benefiting from it, I am almost 75 per cent sure that we are going to find our practicing colleagues in it."
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