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"content": "On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir."
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"content": " Sen. Gloria, you know we have to make progress. I have to caution you, Sen. Gloria. Even when your microphone is off, you are quite audible and you seem to interrupt my listening."
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"content": "No! I already gave you an opportunity to raise your point of order which, in my opinion, I do not think is a point of order. Shall we allow Sen. Mandago to conclude his submissions? Sen. Gloria, I will refer you to Standing Order No.121(1)(a) to (c). Just read and pay attention to it. Proceed, Sen. Mandago. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "Thank you very much, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I would like to finalise on the issue of governors and deputy governors in the counties."
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"content": "What we are witnessing in some counties is an issue of people failing to perform duties of that office and trying to compete for one office. As I said earlier, due to the nature of our politics, as a country, sometimes it takes the effort of two to win an election. However, that does not mean that the two should occupy the same office. I urge deputy governors who are in political partnerships with their governors to win elections, to satisfy themselves with the position of deputy governors and work with their governors. When governors finish their term in office, they can also run for the same seat. We have good examples of deputy governors who worked well with their governors, like the former Deputy Governor of Kwale, who is now the Governor of Kwale County. Her Excellency the Governor of Kwale, Hon. Fatuma Achani, worked with the then Governor, Hon. Salim Mvurya, very well for 10 years, despite the fact that they had a political partnership of working together to win an election. After 10 years, Hon. Achani won elections and became the governor after having been the deputy governor. We encourage deputy governors to work. In the same breath, governors must also respect their deputies. The problem starts especially when governors allow their handlers- -- I would say every politician has their political brokers and handlers. They should make sure that their political handlers and the staff respect deputy governors. When the governor respects the deputy governor, the rest of staff in the county will respect the deputy governor and they will have a functional governor’s office. I know there is a quest for deputy governors to be allocated duties by law. The framers of the Constitution did not envisage a situation where there would be specific duties for a deputy governor. It was envisaged that a deputy governor will assist the governor. In the absence of a governor, they perform duties of a governor. In my view, assigning them duties will limit the performance of the deputy governor in an event where the governor is not present. It is not just when a governor has left office. For example, when they travel out of the country, the deputy governor is supposed to step in. In a situation where a deputy governor has been assigned specific duties, it will be difficult to assign them additional duties of the office of the governor. Governors must respect deputy governors. They must also provide resources to run the office of deputy governors. They should not play games in terms of releasing resources to deputy governors because deputy governors also have a constitutional responsibility of assisting governors. If governors allow proper flow of resources to offices of deputy governors and allow them to perform duties of deputy governors, then we shall not witness what we saw in Trans Nzoia County. If you see the staff disrespecting a deputy governor or even having the audacity to comment in public about their deputy governor, that disrespect is not originated by the staff. It is the governor who must have initiated that kind of a talk. I urge governors to respect their deputy governors and ensure that those officers are properly resourced for them to be able to perform their function. I do not agree with the sentiments of my colleague, Sen. Cherarkey, who said deputy governors are supposed to read newspapers in the office. Those are not functions The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "that have been assigned to the deputy governors. They should perform the roles and responsibilities that have been given to them. Governors must ensure that deputy governors have their resources. Deputy governors' vehicles not being serviced and fueled and their drivers not being paid allowances are very primitive ways of dealing with matters. If a governor and deputy governor have a problem, they should have a sit-down and leave the operations of the officers to run while they address their problems. I thank the Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations for the work they have done. That Committee needs to be supported by the agencies that also have constitutional mandates such as the NCIC and IGRTC, who are supposed to also implement the recommendations of the Committee. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, when recommendations of the House are not implemented, then it renders the work of that Committee valueless. If those agencies, such as the National Cohesion and Integration Commission (NCIC) and the Intergovernmental Relations Technical Committee (IGRTC) make a follow-up and ensure that those recommendations are implemented, then the value of the work this Committee has put in will be seen. We must congratulate Sen. Abbas, the Chairperson of the Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations and his Members for the work they are doing. I am also confident that Sen. Abbas' Committee will be able to resolve the matter of Nyamira, where we have two county assemblies that are being run in one county. I think that is a county that has a record of its own to be able to run a county assembly under a tree and another county assembly in the registered premises of the county assembly. I am sure Sen. Abbas and his committee should be able to address that matter and bring the two warring factions of the County Assembly of Nyamira together and make sure we have a functional county assembly. When the County Assembly of Nyamira is not functional, it means the oversight functions of the county are impaired. The citizens of Nyamira, therefore, may not benefit from the role of the county assembly, of ensuring that the use of the resources that we have fought to go to Nyamira County; that the Senator for Nyamira keeps asking, cannot be ascertained. As the Committee takes their role, we urge the Members of County Assembly to avoid situations where we can have two county assemblies in one county. Impeachment is a process which we need to take by our strides because it is provided in law. If you are impeached, then you have to leave. If the impeachment process does not succeed, those who are pro the impeachment process should not personalize the process to the extent of creating factions within the assembly or even the county. They should be satisfied that they made an attempt, followed the law and voted, but never succeeded. They will always have another chance if they do want to impeach their Speaker and, therefore, they should just follow the law."
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"content": " Hon. Senators, before I call the next speaker, who is Sen. Omtatah, I would like to suspend the sitting for five minutes and resume thereafter to attend to a personal matter."
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"content": "The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "(The sitting was suspended at 5.44 p.m.)"
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