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"content": "On paragraph 47 of his answer, when he talks of the Diploma Secondary Education Teacher Training Colleges like Kagumo and Lugari, specifically on the performing arts and visual arts, which was the gist of my Question, he is still talking of “they will”, without even giving numbers vis-a-vis the demand in Senior Secondary School and what my Question was asking. If we cannot get the numbers, I will request that this Question be deferred so that the CS can come to answer the specific questions that I had asked. Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker."
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"content": " Hon. Omar Mwinyi."
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"speaker_name": "Changamwe, ODM",
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Listening to the questions which we normally ask whenever cabinet secretaries come here, I feel it would be proper for the Cabinet Secretary to prepare a list of all the constituencies in the country and indicate the number of teachers that they have and the shortages. The purpose of that would be to correct those anomalies so that we can create the equity for every constituency to get a fair share of the teachers. Otherwise, I am sure that next month, another Member will ask the same Question for his constituency, and the Cabinet Secretary will get away with these types of answers where we still need some more information. I think they better print a list of all the constituencies that we have in the country with the teachers and the shortages so that the The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "TSC can then make what you call affirmative action to correct the anomalies that are there within the Ministry. Since the Cabinet Secretary is here, I would also want to get an answer from him on how he is dealing with the principals who are still refusing to give certificates to the learners who have completed school."
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"content": "Thank you."
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"content": " Cabinet Secretary, you will respond to those ones. Question No. 38 of 2025 requires data. If you do not have the data, the provision of the data can, upon request, be delivered to a date we may specify. Kindly respond."
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"speaker_name": "Mr Julius Migos Ogamba",
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"content": " Hon. Temporary Speaker, thank you for that guidance. It is true that I have not stipulated the number of teachers in each pathway. I have given a general number, that is 131,246, and I have also given the 1,318 without stipulating which teachers are in which pathways. I beg to be allowed to go and redo that response so that I can stipulate each particular pathway with the correct number of teachers, nationally, in Matuga Constituency and Kwale County, so that we can have that stipulated and outlined. With respect to the question of dealing with this nationally so that we can include all the constituencies and get the data indicating the number of teachers, what they are teaching, what they are qualified for, and the shortages in each constituency, I seek more time to submit that data. That will allow us to interrogate each particular constituency as and when we are able to do that. If I am allowed, we will work with the TSC to provide that data so that it is completely clear. I submit."
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"content": " Hon. Members, for the convenience of the House, in case it takes long for the Cabinet Secretary to get the data and him returning to the plenary, it can be delivered to the Departmental Committee on Education. The Committee can then invite all Members to scrutinise the data and ensure that the information needed in terms of how teachers are allocated to constituencies is represented. Cabinet Secretary, there is the directive you issued about the release of academic certificates by various schools."
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"content": " Hon. Temporary Speaker, that Question is in here and I can say the following: The Directive we gave to the principals is based on Article 53 of the Constitution and Section 10(2) of the Kenya National Examinations Council Act, 2012. It simply says that no one, or institution, is allowed to withhold any certificate belonging to a student. So, we gave that Directive and issued a circular to follow it. A number of principals have complied, while others have not. We gave them 14 days, which are expiring next week. After that, our county and sub-county directors of education will collect the data and undertake two actions: First, we will take disciplinary action against principals who have not complied through the Teachers Service Commission (TSC). Second and more serious, we will undertake a legal process against those teachers. The reason is that all the certificates they are holding bear the names of the students and not the parents. No school has an agreement or contractual obligation with a student to pay fees, but with the parents. Therefore, they are holding a certificate belonging to somebody else to secure a debt owed by somebody else. We will take some legal action, which we are still working on. We will also ensure that those who have been holding those certificates, for whatever reasons, are held accountable. I was told that those directives were given in the era of former President The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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