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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. To be honest, the Member is right. I have more information on finance than I have on terrorism. However, I can relate from best practice. I know what you are saying. Let me reiterate my earlier points. For every of those attacks, there is money involved, and you could talk about the $2,000 for buying an AK 47 or the 9/11 attacks in the United States of America (USA). The volume of that transaction was much bigger because for you to..."
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"content": "I think I need protection from Hon. Farah Maalim, but I will proceed."
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"content": " Members will not debate away from the Bill under consideration."
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"content": " He will have his chance. My point is that in 2025, money is not just held in the banks. It is held in SACCOs, virtual assets and estates. The conditionalities, scrutiny and know-your-customer measures that we put in our banking system should apply to all financial institutions in 2025. That is progress because that is the reality. Very few young people operate bank accounts. M-Pesa transactions currently hold bigger deposits than most banks. If I need to provide documentation to withdraw Ksh1 million from my bank account, the same should apply when I want to withdraw Ksh1 million from my M- Pesa, virtual assets or when I am depositing money to buy and develop real estate. That is the intent of this Bill. Again, let us remember that we have a choice between being on the grey list or on the black list. Do we want to go the North Korea or Iran way? Some countries have found themselves in similar situations. South Africa was grey-listed in 2023, but they moved swiftly and amended six pieces of law. Their Parliament prioritised the Anti-Money Laundering and Combating the Financing of Terrorism (AML/CFT) reforms and by mid-2024, the Financial The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "Action Task Force acknowledged significant progress. Nigeria enacted their Money Laundering (Prevention and Prohibition) Act of 2022, which extended AML obligations to lawyers, accountants and real estate development."
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"content": " On a point of information, Hon. Temporary Speaker."
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"content": " I do not want to be informed at this point. In the United Kingdom…"
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"content": " Hon. Omar Mwinyi, are you on a point of order or a point of information? Hon. Kimani Kuria, do you want to be informed by Hon. Omar Mwinyi?"
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