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"content": " Hon. Temporary Speaker, I do not want to be informed. I want to debate."
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"content": " Hon. Omar Mwinyi, take your seat. You have not been recognised for that. You may proceed, Hon. Kimani Kuria."
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"content": " Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. In the United Kingdom, estate agents and art dealers are required to conduct customer due diligence and report suspicious transactions to the National Crime Agency. We must take decisive steps as a country. We cannot be a weak link in the global fight against financial crime. I would like to congratulate the Committee for conducting public participation. When I was reading the Report, I picked 15 detailed, well-thought-out memoranda from the Financial Reporting Centre, the Central Bank of Kenya, the Law Society of Kenya, the Institute of Certified Public Accountants of Kenya, of which I am a member, Transparency International, and the Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions. All those entities agreed with the merits of the Bill, but they were recommending far-reaching amendments that were far from the intent of the Bill. The Committee graciously said they would consider their recommendations in future. The burden is on the National Assembly. We need to send a clear message that Kenya is committed to protecting its financial system, that we honour our international commitments, and that we will not allow criminal networks to flourish unchecked. We must support the Bill, not because the Financial Action Task Force (FATF) demands it, but because our national interests demand it. That will protect our banks, pensions, investments and our ability to trade and engage with the rest of the world. The Bill is not just about compliance. It is about giving the rest of the world confidence that we are a country that enhances governance, financial integrity and national standing. As I finish, it is very important to reiterate what the impact of blacklisting would be if we move from the grey list to the black list. It means our financial transactions across banks will all go through extra scrutiny. With time, even the diaspora remittances that we get from our diaspora citizens may not be allowed to go through the international banking system. Kenya is part of the global village and we must admit that, therefore, we must fit in that global village. Fitting in that global village means we must move from grey listing. If we do not, we will go to the black list and we will go the way of North Korea and Iran."
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"content": "With those remarks, I beg to support."
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"content": " Hon. Kimani, just before you sit, it is always very beneficial to hear from you. I do not know whether you have the Bill. On public benefit organisations, it says that the authority shall periodically identify organisations. I am doing this though I know you have wound up because of your wealth of knowledge and it being the case that you may not speak under the Standing Orders again. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "Hon. Members, allow us, because if we go over this we, will not hear him under the Standing Orders again, to open Page 115. I want you to do so with the understanding that no Member here is saying that we should not fight money laundering or we should not fight terrorism. We want to check that the laws we are making are, indeed, filling in the gaps if we have to fight this thing effectively. If you look at that proposed Clause 43(a), look at sub- clause 1(a). Can you can see it, Hon. Kimani Kuria? By that provision, are we suggesting that this is not happening continuously in anyway or what does it bring? We are saying that to periodically identify organisations that are likely to be at risk of terrorist financing abuse and yet, we know that one of the duties of the authority is to do it through out. Why are we taking it to periodically? For what purpose do we want to have this, other than the general requirement that they are constantly doing so?"
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"content": " Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Clause 43(a) says that the authority shall have powers to oversee and monitor public benefit organisations that are at risk of terrorism financing and, in particular, shall periodically identify organisations that are likely to be at risk of terrorism financing abuse. I have a small understanding of the working of our intelligence systems globally and in Kenya. There is monitoring of all our telephone conversations."
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"content": " It is true."
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"content": " And, therefore, this is just being in line with the international practice. The fact that it is happening, I do not see any harm in it being provided for in law so that in the event that a particular entity is required to submit additional information…"
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