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"content": "There were times when we had challenges, but where we are, we do not have a problem with debt sustainability. The numbers and figures are there. Even the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the World Bank have the figures. We have been rated out there. The problem we have is of liquidity. Loans were taken at a particular point of time and most of them are maturing between now and 2032. That is why we have the pressure. After 2032, we go and look at our books, and they are public, and see. From 2034 to 2048, we do not have any loan to pay. There will be no external loan to pay around that time, whether bilateral, commercial or multilateral. But between now and 2032, we must work together. This House, the National Treasury and the Executive have a responsibility to work together to steady our economy. That is why some of us were taken to the Executive as experts to make sure that we steer the ship. So, let us not be discouraged. This process will continue. I am committed to it and there is no time we will default in our loan repayment. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "This country is strong economically. It is the strongest economy in the region. So, let nobody scare people that Kenya is going to default. We may be struggling, but let me ask, have we failed to pay salaries? No. Have we failed to pay capitation to schools? We paid in full. Are we not meeting our expenditures for security and other matters? Yes. Are we going to release the entire NG-CDF for development of our infrastructure in schools, security and pay bursaries? Yes. Are we going to pay money to our counties? Yes."
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"content": "I have been in this House with you and I used to sit there. That is my corner. I hope you reserve it for me. I will come back there maybe one time. This is not the first time we have had a delay. In fact, if you look at last financial year, it was worse. I commit to you that you will not have problems. I know there are bursary issues. We have released Ksh7 billion. I will try to release another Ksh7 billion before schools open at the end of this month, so that you sort out the bursary and make sure that we do not carry over to 2025/2026. That is what I am working on. Thank you very much Hon. Speaker. I know I have taken longer than I should have. I can now take my water."
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"content": "Order, Hon. Members. The document provided by the Cabinet Minister which I find authentic indicates that today, for NGAAF, an amount of Ksh1,104,499,800 was released to the State Department for Gender. That is the route through which that money is ordinarily paid. An amount of Ksh7 billion was released to the State Department for Economic Planning and that is the route through which NG-CDF is paid on its way to the Board. The Cabinet Secretary has also told you, and we will hold him to it, that before the close of the month, we have about 12 days to go, he will pay another Ksh7 billion. I now give Hon. Jack Wamboka the first opportunity to ask for any clarification."
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"content": " Hon. Speaker, I appreciate the Cabinet Secretary for coming. We have been patient with the things he has been saying because he is a former ranking Member of this House. We would not have been tolerant, perhaps, if he did not have those decorations with him. I also must declare that the Cabinet Secretary is my very good personal friend and we have many things we dream about together for the future. Many of the things the Cabinet Secretary has said is what he said in Naivasha. We respect Hon. Mbadi. When he went to the National Treasury as an expert with Mbadinomics we expected that by the time he gives commitment to this House, he is sure about the things he is saying. The Cabinet Secretary has put our Hon. Speaker not in very good light. The Cabinet Secretary is lucky that we also trust our Hon. Speaker and we love him very much and he has been using him as a shield. It does not make sense, Hon. Mbadi, my good friend, to say you gave the Hon. Speaker a plan on how you are going to disburse these monies, then later on you bring in issues of disbursements of capitation. The Mbadi I know should have foreseen that because he is an expert. By the time you were giving that commitment, those are things you would have on your fingertips. We are expecting Kshs21 billion from Hon. Mbadi today. That is the bare minimum take home. All these other things he is saying about capitation and county money, are the responsibility of Government to send these monies. The financial year is coming to an end. Hon. Mbadi, please do what is needful to our people and do not bring a lot of issues."
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"content": "Wind up. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": " Lastly, many college and university students missed exams because we did not facilitate their bursaries. They will be forced to defer their studies for a whole year. How are you going to remedy that? These students have deferred their studies and they continue living the way they are. So, Hon. Speaker, let the Cabinet Secretary not talk about 2032-2048 because loans will still be taken by the governments that are coming. These are things we are tired of. We are speaking about now and we have a lot of trust in him. I particularly know that the Cabinet Secretary can deliver better. Hon. Speaker, on behalf of this House, our bare minimum is Ksh21 billion."
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"content": "Hon. Musa Sirma."
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