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"content": "Hon. Members, let us have the Cabinet Secretary respond to those first."
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I will try to move quickly through the questions without losing their impact, starting with Hon. Wamboka. First, I want to confirm that I am not using the Hon. Speaker as a shield. I respect the Speaker, he was a colleague in this House. We began working together even before he became a Hon. Speaker. I do not want to put him in bad light or demean the Speaker’s office. That is why I made the commitment. I confirm that the commitment came from my office."
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"content": "Regarding the minimum of Ksh21 billion, I hear you, Hon. Wamboka. But there is a lot of pressure on the Exchequer. Unless we receive external financing, I cannot commit to resources we do not yet have. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "You have asked why I did not foresee and plan better. That is why I now say, I will not commit to funds not yet received. Once we receive the money, Hon. Wamboka, through the Speaker, there is no reason I cannot do even more than you have asked."
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"content": "Secondly, Hon. Musa Sirma raised the bursary issue. I agree, it is a serious concern. We discussed it, and you said at least Ksh14 billion is needed for NG-CDF committees to cater for bursaries for school-going children."
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"content": "I ask Members to allow me more time. It is not by next week, because I know the commitments we have. In the following week, latest by 29th April, we will make another disbursement of Ksh7 billion. I want to tie that to Hon. Keynan's question. He asked whether the “mandarins” would mislead me. The advantage you have is that the Cabinet Secretary for National Treasury and Economic Planning is an accountant and an auditor. I cannot be misled. It is not possible. What I have brought to you is not a letter. This is an Integrated Financial Management Information System (IFMIS) spreadsheet that has been given to me. I did not want to come and give you a letter. I wanted to table evidence before this House that we have made the transfer, and we will make another transfer. Hon. Members, you can tell your committees to go ahead and vet students, if you have not vetted them, and even make provisions on how Ksh14 billion can be shared. Already, there is Ksh7 billion. I will make sure that we try as much as we can to release the other Ksh7 by the 29th of April. Realistically, we may not manage to release it next week. It will be too much pressure for us."
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"speaker_name": "Hon. John Mbadi",
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"content": "On Hon. Zamzam’s question about reduction of the allocation of the NGAAF to 2.7 per cent of the national Budget, Hon. Zamzam might not be aware that NGAAF is my creation. It is not even the creation of the Women Representatives. It is my creation. The Women Representatives approached me and I took them to the then Cabinet Secretary, Mr Rotich, who was my friend for many years. I convinced Mr Rotich because the Budget and Appropriations Committee had rejected the idea of creating a fund for Women Representatives. Governor Wanga, Hon. Kajuju, the former Member of Parliament; Hon. Nyokabi and myself persuaded Mr Rotich. That is how NGAAF came about. Therefore, I support it. According to the records I have, we allocated 3.2 per cent and not 3.5 per cent but it was reduced. It was not the National Treasury that reduced it. It was this House. When this House reduces a budgetary allocation, I have no power under the sun to review it. In fact, the Constitution is very clear that no one – not even the President – has the power to appropriate money. Money is only appropriated by the National Assembly of the Republic of Kenya. Kindly, talk to your friends, beginning with those who sit in the Budget and Appropriation Committee, to protect any money that is allocated to NGAAF. This money is very little. If your colleagues here, through Hon. Atandi, who is now the new Chairman, can protect that money, I will disburse it. My job is to bring proposals and Budget Estimates for you to approve. Once you approved and appropriated, my work is to disburse I have already addressed the question that Hon. Kangogo Bowen asked about releasing the money by next week. Hon. Members, I beseech you not to make me commit to something like that again. I will have to appear before you here, and you hold me accountable for it. Kindly, hold me to my commitment for the last week of April. I have addressed Hon. Mwago’s question on when we will put money into the account. Additionally, Hon. Makilap, asked about the breakdown of how the money goes to three to seven wards. On that one, there is a formula. Talk to the Chairman of the NG-CDF Committee, Hon. Sirma, and he will share with you. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "The other question is why not pay all the NG-CDF money by the first Quarter. This is a very thought-provoking idea, which I already thought about. We have a very constrained period between January and May. That period is usually very bad in terms of Exchequer releases. I am thinking of trying to do as much as we possibly can to disburse the money between July and October. We will do that in the next financial year. I wish the pressure that is being applied to me today was applied in the last Financial Year. Since the pressure was not applied then, the carryover of Ksh13 billion came to me. Now, if you added that Ksh13 billion to the Ksh21 billion that I have disbursed, we would be at Ksh44 billion. That would be almost 70 per cent of the NG-CDF. I have disbursed the money that was supposed to be disbursed in the last Financial Year, and I am not getting any credit for it. Just put pressure on me so that in the next financial year we do not have the same story. Hon. Gisairo’s question about the Ksh21 is a repetition. Hon. Mary Emaase, you have asked about external finances. Yes, it is true that it is now becoming clear that we are unlocking the external finances. There were some precedent conditions which we have since met. I want to hesitate from making a commitment with money that has not come. If that money comes, I will do more than I have promised. I want to make sure that by the end of this Financial Year, we clear all the Ksh68 billion for the NG-CDF. We can only be able to do that when we get money – making sure that we enhance the allocation. I have addressed the question by Hon. Farah Maalim on an undertaking of Ksh7 billion. On Hon. Kirima’s question as to whether I am aware that development in the constituencies is undertaken through NG-CDF, yes, I am a Kenyan. I walk in the villages. I know what is happening. We also hope that counties use their monies prudently. That was the essence of devolution. We cannot go back on devolution. It is there in the Constitution, and we gave it to ourselves."
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"content": "Governors are thieves!"
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