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"content": "asked the Minister for Lands: (a) why the Kisumu District Land Registrar has failed to cancel the title deed fraudulently issued to one Mr. Salim Mupelele Said in respect of L.R. No. Kisumu/Dago/39 contrary to his commitment to do so vide a letter dated 16/4/1987; and (b) why Mr. Said is frustrating the family of Mr. Ong’udi and St. Antony Dago Kokore Secondary School from transferring the parcel of land to the school."
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"content": " Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, when I was supposed to answer this Question yesterday, my answer was not ready. I indicated that my Ministry was taking steps to revoke the title. My answer may not be quite along those lines, but the effect of it is really the same. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to reply:"
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"content": "(a) The land register in Kisumu Lands Office shows that L.R. No. Kisumu/Dago/39, which is 0.5 hectares, was registered in favour of Olando Ong’udi on 23rd October, 1973 and thereafter transferred to Salim Mupelele Said on 22nd August, 1996. (b) I am, however, not satisfied that the transfer to Salim Mupelele Said was properly done because the supporting transfer documents, that is the statutory Form No.LR1 and the consent from the Land Control Board are not available. The Ministry has, therefore, placed a restriction on any further transaction until Mr. Said avails evidence that the land was properly transferred to him. In the event that the transfer to Salim is found to be fraudulent and not supported by any documentation, we will proceed to expunge that transfer from our records in which event the family of Olando Ong’udi will be at liberty to transfer the land to St. Antony Dago Kokore Secondary School."
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"content": "It is also possible that the family of Mr. Olando Ong’udi has undergone frustrations on the face of the records showing that the land belongs to Salim Mupelele Said’s side. Once the Ministry resolves the issue of the alleged transfer to Mr. Said, the frustrations will come to an end."
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"content": "Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I feel very proud of Ministers who take their work seriously as hon. Orengo and others do. I am glad that the Minister has finally established that the family of Ong’udi and St. Antony Dago Kokore Secondary school have been frustrated. I am satisfied with the answer. However, what is the time frame given to Salim to prove that the transfer was properly done within which if he fails to provide proof then the title will be cancelled? How long?"
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"content": "Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, if you give me 30 days, I will be able to do that, one way or the other. So, Mr. Salim will be given 14 days to do that and then, in the next 14 days, we will take appropriate action."
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"content": "Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, while I want to thank my good friend, Mr. Orengo, who visited me over the weekend, nevertheless, he should explain to us the following: When it came to his notice that there may have been some fraudulent transactions relating to that particular land, why was the onus to prove placed on somebody who was not an employee of the Ministry? I would expect the Minister to have information without having to require a third party to bring such information to his Ministry. If, indeed, there is no evidence, could he tell us whether he is going to do a “syokimau” on Saidi?"
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"content": "Let me thank the hon. Member for welcoming me to his constituency in such a powerful way. Keep it up."
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"content": "In fact, there is somebody who has already been convicted in relation to that matter and served a sentence. Mr. Olago, only added to an ongoing process because the history of that particular land is full of illegal activities. It was not just on the time when there was a transfer between Mr. Mupelele and Ong’udi, but even subsequently. That is why I have come to a firm belief that the whole process was shrouded with fraud."
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"content": "Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, acknowledging the good answer that has been given by the Minister, could he, in addition, inform the House the action he has taken against the officers who fraudulently facilitated the issuance of the title deed that is in question now?"
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