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"speaker_name": "Laikipia East, TSP",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Mwangi Kiunjuri",
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"content": "Clause 7 of the Bill establishes a Board which will create order, predictability and consistency. The dignity of the vulnerable members of society who are beneficiaries will also be taken care of. The elderly people, who are beneficiaries, have served this nation. They laid the foundation of the nation and served us very well. They are now at an age where we need to take care of them. They still shoulder some burden and responsibilities in our society these days. We still look upon them for solutions. When our young are neglected or they neglect themselves and end up in drug addiction, they fall back to the same parents they are supposed to support. The elderly are now the ones supporting the young generation, yet they are supposed to benefit from them. When accidents happen in our society, issues of disabilities crop up. Family members run away from shouldering the responsibilities of taking care of the disabled who then end up with the elderly people. The issue here is that both the orphans and disabled end up in the care of the elderly people who shoulder all this burden. Members of Parliament and other representatives who have the opportunity to interact with the society on daily basis will be the first beneficiaries of this Bill when it goes through. We should make sure that some issues are in order. These are timely payment, identification and making sure that the vulnerable people in the society benefit and they are not discriminated against. If there is a way they will be picked, we should ensure that there is proper collaboration. The process should not be left to area chiefs alone. Proper teams should be set up on the ground to make sure that there is automatic qualification of the needy in the society. If you look at the mode of payment, it is cash transfer. These are some of the issues that the Board must be concerned with. It should ensure that beneficiaries do not suffer because they come from areas where modes of payments are not friendly. They must look at this country, especially at people from northern Kenya or areas that have banking facilities that are not well-established. They should also look at people who cannot access the internet, and make sure there is consistency in the way we do things. They should not rush into deciding this is the most applicable system, but rather look at an area individually so that people can benefit. Some people might look at the token they are given as very little money but, if we look at it in terms of the frustrations in the society, it is a lot. As a Member of Parliament, when you wake up in the morning, you find people who have lined up in your compound, and when you give them Ksh200, they are very happy and satisfied that you have given them a livelihood for the day. I am happy that Members of Parliament have identified this income as an economic stimulus, because at the end of the day it stimulates the economy of a particular area. A person earning an income of Ksh2,000 per month is enough to cushion these families from hunger. In a situation of famine..."
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"content": "(Hon. Liza Chelule raised her hand)"
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"speaker_name": "Hon. David Ochieng’",
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"content": " Just a minute. There is a Member with her hands up all the time. Is anything out of order? Hon. Chelule, I cannot give you the microphone because you do not have your card, but you keep raising your hands up. Just get a card. Members, I assure you that this Bill has no time limit. The list is on my board so I know where you fall and that no one keeps raising their hands up. After the gentleman speaking, it will be Members for Kwanza, Nambale, Nakuru Town West, Runyenjes, then Nyatike, in that order. That is what appears on my board. I will give Members chances as they appear. Go ahead."
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"speaker_name": "Laikipia East, TSP",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Mwangi Kiunjuri",
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. We shall guide them accordingly. Hon. Temporary Speaker, I was talking about the value of the money they receive. With Ksh2,000, a family can move on for more than two weeks. This gives them the ability to look The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "at other areas to earn an income. Some of these people we are talking about need education and good healthcare. If they properly manage the small resources, they can save and also register with the SHIF which will cushion them when it comes to other problems. I hope Members of Parliament will come up with other issues and areas that need to be looked at. We need to expand the Social Protection Fund so that Members of Parliament do not have to take care of what the Government ought to. The interventions we make are what this Bill is trying to look at. We should not be looking at every problem the society faces. I always pity Members of Parliament because every responsibility is bestowed on them, such as medical care, education, and other shocks that we face in the society. I am happy that there will now be order and the Government is looking at this matter seriously. I hope in due time, progress will be made to ensure there is proper identification and payment, predictability, and dignity for our people. I beg to support."
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"speaker_name": "Hon. David Ochieng’",
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"content": " Member for Kwanza."
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"speaker_title": "Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi",
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"content": " Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me this opportunity to support this Bill. This is a very serious case because there are very many vulnerable people out there. When we go to the streets, we see vulnerable people such as orphans, children born and thrown to the streets, the disabled, and the jobless. When I drive or walk around the streets, I wonder if this is the Kenya I was born in and if it is the country I am supposed to be a part of the leadership. As a Parliament, we should pass this Bill and act on it as soon as yesterday, not tomorrow. It is very shameful that the vulnerable are out there. When you walk on the streets, you hardly do ten metres from one group to another before meeting the vulnerable. We should do something about it. I suggest that once we pass this Bill, it should come to the Committee of the whole House so that we get the way forward. One suggestion is that we direct the Cabinet to form a department specifically to deal with this vulnerable group since they are our brothers and sisters; blood relations. I have had the chance to travel to Denmark and Poland. Once we pass this Bill, we should benchmark and see how these two countries dealt with the vulnerable groups. They set up a department that specifically deals with this kind of issue. We are not too far from it. Therefore, we should deal with this case by benchmarking. Secondly, it is on the infrastructure we are currently dealing with in our respective constituencies and areas where we represent the people. Infrastructure is very important. For example, in Nairobi, a friend mentioned Mathare where people live in very bad conditions. These are Kenyans like us. We cannot exclude ourselves from this group. Yesterday, I could not believe it when a family was smashed by stones that dropped from a cliff as it rained. We have a problem, and we should do something by, at least, dealing with the infrastructure by looking at the living standards of our people because they are with us. Thirdly, we should also look at the benefits that are to be accrued by setting up a department. It should be spread across all the 290 constituencies so that each constituency can deal with cases of disabilities, orphans, and the aged who do not know what to do, so that money can be transferred to these families. From my own observation without pointing a finger at any individual, you will be shocked that the cash transfer money is part of the corruption in this country. Money is not being transferred properly. Once in a while a family gets Ksh2,000 which is good enough, but sometimes that money never reaches the intended recipients. You find somebody signed off and says they transferred the money, yet it was not transferred to the intended recipients. I urge the House to pass this Bill and set up a department that can specifically deal with this issue as has been mentioned. It should list how people have benefited, who the beneficiaries are, and how we can go about it in terms of infrastructure. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"speaker_name": "Hon. David Ochieng’",
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"content": " The Member for Kwanza, this Bill establishes a board."
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"speaker_title": "Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi",
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"content": " Yes, I support it."
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"speaker_name": "Hon. David Ochieng’",
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"content": " I am asking if you propose another body or agency."
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