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"content": " Please, do not take the path of refusing to allocate resources for murram roads."
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"content": "Cabinet Secretary, can you respond to those? Hon. Members, I had allocated 30 minutes, but we have gone over by two minutes. Let us allow the Cabinet Secretary to respond. All the issues are almost the same."
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Speaker and Hon. Members. Let me start with the Question by Hon. Jack Wamboka Wanami. The criterion used in withholding Ksh10.5 billion was this: Hon. Members, you will recall that between 2016 and 2021, the Kenya Urban Roads Authority (KURA) and KeRRA portions of the RMLF money were administered and managed by the county governments. In 2021, a decision was made to return the management of that money to the national Government due to certain administrative concerns at the time. The RLMF portion, which is about 40 per cent, has never been devolved to the counties. The merit we employed and the contest by the county governments was more on what they felt was within the ambit of Schedule Four of the Constitution in defining the national and county roads. Basically, that is what we employed to withhold the 15 per cent of the 47 per cent, because the 32 per cent for KeRRA and 15 per cent for KURA, add up to 47 per cent. Hon. Speaker, we employed a formula of withholding a portion of 15 out of 47 and 32 out of the 47 in that ratio. Hon. Members, I am more positive in seeking to resolve this issue amicably because in as much as it impacts Members of Parliament, it is a challenge that impacts all Kenyans. We, therefore, need to resolve this as soon as possible. Like I said, Ksh10.5 billion is a lot of money and at such a time, if we release these resources to you, we will address a number of the major challenges affecting the entire country. To combine that question by Hon. Jack Wanami and my Chairman, Hon. GK, the Member of Parliament for Ndia Constituency, we are seriously seeking the soonest opportunity with the chairperson of the mediation committee, at a high level, with appropriate leadership that can basically resolve this issue in one sitting, and allow this resource to build this country and work for us. I believe we should do this within this financial year because it is not helpful to anybody having that money unallocated and earning interest. We are losing so much given the state of our roads. Movement of goods and people is basically impaired. Regarding the question by Hon. Kiplangat, DK, we will be releasing the balance of the Road Maintenance Levy Fund (RMLF) next week. I have been given the numbers. I am here with the Director- General of the Kenya Roads Board (KRB). We will be releasing the balance next week. We have the numbers and even as we withhold, we seek to ensure that we resolve this challenge and release the full amount of Ksh10.5 billion. The balance of Ksh3.533 billion, which is outstanding to the end of the financial year, will be released next week in the ratio of The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "Khs2.43 billion towards the Kenya Rural Roads Authority (KERRA) roads and Ksh1.1 billion towards the Kenya Urban Roads Authority (KURA) roads. With respect to the concern of securitisation as raised by the Member for Igembe Central…"
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"content": "Igembe Central."
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"content": " Member for Igembe Central, Hon. Kiili. We do not wish to securitise part of the RMLF that is addressing from KERRA. We noted that and we would be coming to this House to seek necessary amendments to the statute that governs RMLF. We have the annuity fund and you know it has not taken off like previously because the risk placed on annuity, on the maintenance front, is so high. Most of the roads which were meant to be done on annuity have basically collapsed and we are sitting on three shillings under annuity. A few roads which were done in annuity can be managed within 50 per cent of the three shillings. Therefore, we can securitise Ksh1.50 and return that money to your various constituencies to address the road maintenance and development challenges that we are facing today. We also proposed to securitise part of the Cabinet Secretary allocation. As one Member said, for a long time, it has not been distributed equitably to all the constituencies. There are emergencies across the country and yet this equivalent of Ksh1.80 or Ksh1.50, which sits under the Cabinet Secretary allocation, could be securitised. When you get the discounted future value over 10 years, we can raise as much as Ksh120 billion today and come to this House to agree on how we can build our roads in Kenya. You know the challenges we have on the Low Volume Seal Roads (LVSRs) that need maintenance and that are orphaned because we do not have maintenance allocation for them. Securitisation does not seek to impact majorly on the Kenya Rural Roads Authority (KeRRA) mandate, because KeRRA has a very specific role. Therefore, when we talk about securitisation, we are looking at making the best use of some of the Road Maintenance Levy Fund (RMLF) money within the ambit of the Kenya National Highways Authority (KeNHA), where we can get a shilling from KeNHA and another from the Cabinet Secretary allocation, then Ksh1.50 from the Annuity Fund. This is the securitisation we are talking about that can raise Ksh120 billion and address the challenges. It includes what we have done on the securitisation that raises Ksh175 billion. The bridge facility of the Ksh175 billion has enabled all the contractors to go back to work. So, if there is any stalled road due to a pending bill in any part of the country today, I would like to take that up and ensure the contractor resumes work. We have paid them on account of securitisation for the pending bills and, therefore, we should get them to continue and complete some of those projects."
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"content": "Mhe. Nyakundi"
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"content": ", I have answered the question on the 22 per cent. We do not intend to touch the 22 per cent and if we have to, we will first do public participation within the precincts of Parliament, so that we all agree on what it means in terms of unlocking the challenge that faces our roads in Kenya today. On the question by Hon. Mawathe of Embakasi South, we are looking at a win-win solution. I am hurt most as a Cabinet Secretary for Roads and Transport, seeing some Ksh10.5 billion that I am unable to deploy. The challenge between the county governments and the National Assembly is based on the concern of how we can quickly use this money to sort out the challenges that afflict our people, particularly at a time like now. Kenyans do not understand the different mandates by the county government and the national Government in maintaining roads. Therefore, allow me, Hon. Speaker and Hon. Members, to provide some high level of leadership that will ensure that the highest office of the land helps us address this, possibly through mediation, and resolve the issue, so that even as we release the balance of Ksh3.533 billion next week, as Hon. George Kariuki raised, we should be discussing how much sooner we will release the Ksh10.5 billion. It should preferably be within this financial year so that the The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "smart idea of doing a multi-year will not have us go to the Financial Year 2025/2026 with the programmes of the Financial Year 2024/2025. We should finish the programmes that we planned for the Financial Year 2025/2026. I have repeatedly addressed the issue raised by Lugari Member of Parliament, Hon. Nabii Nabwera. We, honestly, do not wish to affect the RMLF’s 22 per cent and 10 per cent even as we think through securitisation. But securitisation is the solution for discounting the value of the money that we should be collecting for the next 10 years and what will allow us to use that money in the next two or three years to address the challenges that we are facing in the road sector today. On murraming of roads and the Cabinet Secretary allocation, like I mentioned, securitisation has already unlocked Ksh63 billion. We will be going out to list 20 per cent and 80 per cent on the bond market to raise Ksh175 billion and address the challenges facing the road sector on account of the securitisation. Again, like I have said, I would like to get any road that is stalled today on account of a pending bill because we are now able to pay. If they have not resumed, it is because of money challenges. Hon. Speaker and Members, we should get contractors back to work on any road stranded on account of pending bills. We have paid them 40 per cent and they have signed up the settlement agreement we developed. The settlement agreement is a return-to-work formula. They are all going back to work. In fact, I addressed all the contractors in a breakfast meeting this morning. They should all be getting back to work."
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