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"content": "I was deeply concerned as I listened to the presentation by Sen. (Prof.) Kamar, on behalf of the Committee on its activities. I am particularly worried because of the situation that is pertaining in the neighbouring county of Nyamira where there are two county assemblies."
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"content": "It will be interesting to know why up to now, we are unable to resolve what appears to me to be a pretty straightforward issue. I said it when the matter first came to this House that the easier thing to do is to establish which of these institutions the Controller of Budget (CoB) is funding and allowing release of funds to."
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"content": "Who is the Clerk since clerks are gazetted and it is known? It is important for the Clerk, who is the administrator of the County Assembly duly recognized by the Government, to come and appear before the House and confirm to which Assembly he owes allegiance to of the so-called two county assemblies. There can only be one."
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"content": "I wanted to listen to the presentation from that Committee on how they have succeeded in securing justice for the citizens of Nyamira who continue to suffer because of lack of services of primary oversight. This is because a dysfunction oversight means nobody is checking the goings-on in the County Executive of Nyamira. Perhaps one would not place Governor Nyaribo away from these disputes because he benefits more. A weakened county assembly benefits the Executive more than any other person because it means they are able to have a free hand and reign."
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"content": "Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I would also wish to register my concerns with that Committee with regards to another issue that has emerged in our county governments. We said this when we were passing the County Public Investments and Special Funds Committee (CPIC) reports toward the period we went on recess. We hurriedly passed I think almost 50 reports combined here on very topical issues in our county governments. These included maladministration, governance challenges and so on and so forth. It is not right that featuring prominently from the Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations nothing has been said on what we as Senate need to do. It is not a good situation when we are being told that on average 90-99 per cent of the counties are spending on average 10-20 per cent only of all these funds we are talking about as devolved funds on development. The rest is in recurrent expenditure and other charges that were not the original intent of devolution. The Committee must lead this House into a conversation whether we, as a House, are concerned with this situation and are happy to content, and leave it as it is. There is no need to fight here to push the figures to Kshs450billion yet we know that close to 80 percent is going to pay salaries and how people travel. On average, every county perhaps one would hardly find two to three per cent of the county population works in the county government. If that two to three per cent in"
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"content": "The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "their service provision is consuming close to 50 per cent of the funds we are devolving, is that really the original intention of devolution. I do not think that is the case. Therefore, as a House, we must make difficult decisions. We should guide the counties, hold their hands and help them to make the right decision so that there is prudent use of resources. The Public Finance Management Act is not a suggestion. It is a set of rules that we are actually duty-bound, as a House, to ensure that we enforce its compliance. We have to ensure that the county governments follow through with the intended purpose of the regulations that we have passed here on many occasions. We are increasingly getting to hear that committees have visited various places, which is a good thing, but I wish that we address ourselves to more concrete and substantial issues. If we do that, we will help the country appreciate and know that the Senate has taken its place and that we take our duty of oversight very seriously. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I said what I am about to say again towards the end of last session. I said that it is possible for us, as a House, to develop the tools through which we can measure the performance of a county government. The Senate can then give a fair and objective appraisal of all the 47 county governments based on the indices that we will develop. This is not rocket science. They are things that are available. We can look at how a county treats pending bills, what percentage of their resources are dedicated to development and their own source revenue. We can also look at corruption indexes, the cases that are being reported, completion of projects, budget implementation and absorption of the budget. These are things that we know and are available in all the 47 county governments. Sen. Mungatana, MGH, do you want to tell me that as a House, we cannot do this? We can have the Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations or the Committee on Budget and Finance lead us. If they find it to be difficult, then those of us who take our legislative duties seriously, like yourself, Sen. Cherarkey, the Temporary Speaker and many of us can develop the tools. Why do we have to wait for some dubious institutions to rank governors and troop them here to Nairobi and say that governor so and so has performed yet we know how they secure those things? That is stupidity of the highest order. A governor who goes to pose for pictures with those things is a con man that the people of that county should quickly reject. What basis do they use to indicate their performance? We know the tools that we can use to measure the performance of a county government. This is a responsibility which we, as Senate, cannot pass on to any other person. These are things that we need to do and ensure that we set the indices together with the Parliamentary Budget Office (PBO). We should develop the framework and the formula, such that when it is applied and weighted, one can see the performance of a county government. We can then objectively assess and say that this is what we know about it and the things that are happening."
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"content": "I earlier raised an issue of a Senate Oversight Fund, which I hope that at the right time, we will get an opportunity to explain to the citizens of this Republic why that fund is important and why it should be made available to Senators. I said we can make do without it because we have stayed without it for the last 10 plus years. There is nothing"
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"content": "The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "new about it. In fact, we operate better when there are no resources that are attached to us thus nobody can say that we misappropriated this or the other. However, we have said we will be more effective, as a House, if we hired the correct pool of people to work with us in ensuring that the function of oversight in the office of a Senator in the counties is properly tackled and handled. That is something that is under consideration and I hope that citizens will be fair arbiters in this process. When we eventually get the chance to take this Bill to the citizens and explain our perspective of it, especially with regards to devolution, we hope that they will make the right decision. I take judicial notice of the fact that it is a few seconds to the rise of the House. Therefore, I quickly conclude my comments. I thank you, Mr. Speaker."
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