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"content": " What is your point of order, Sen. Osotsi? The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "Mr. Speaker, Sir, I did not want to interfere with my good friend, the Chairperson of the Committee on Finance and Budget. I am concerned because the Report that he is presenting is very important to us, Members, since it is only done once after five years. I am struggling to get a copy of that report. It is not in the iPad. I would request that it be provided to us, so that we are able to interrogate the issues. These are very important issues. Can we have the report provided to us?"
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"content": " I think the Chairperson of the Committee on Finance and Budget is not out of order. I will take it as an intervention. I have since directed the Secretariat to upload it in your iPads. I think it was an oversight, but certainly not on the part of the Chairperson. So, give it three minutes. Some hard copies are also being run, so that you have the advantage. For those who are not tech-savvy, they can have hard copies."
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"content": "Mr. Speaker, Sir, the issue raised by the Senator of Vihiga is very important. The reason you have seen me disorderly is because some of my colleagues who know that I sit in this Committee are trying to find out what it is that we have brought in the House. Going by the history of decision-making on this Formula, this is not the way to go. It would be more useful to this House that the industry of the Committee on Finance and Budget can be distributed to Members, they interact with it, then debate be done thereafter."
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"content": "Otherwise, we run the risk that the Chairperson will talk and be seconded. Members who will come as he is talking will then start opposing and so on. This is one piece of legislation where we should take our time. It is going to bind us up to the year 2031. I am requesting that you allow this document to be properly understood by our colleagues."
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"content": " Yes, Senator of Nairobi City County."
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"content": "Mr. Speaker, Sir, many of us in this House are not in the habit of interacting with things we have not read, unlike some people in other quarters that I do not want to mention. You find that someone has not read something, but they are an expert in it. Mr. Speaker, Sir, we could resume the regular business because you had rearranged the Order Paper. We can then have the documents uploaded and provided in hard copy. With due respect to the Chairperson of the Committee on Budget and Finance, we can resume that debate later. I am sure he understands the importance of this matter. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I wanted clarification from you on whether this matter is time- bound. If so, I would want to understand the timelines that we are working with. Is there a possibility that we can spend a good amount of time on this formula in order for us to make an informed decision? The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "Mr. Speaker, Sir, I strongly associate with the sentiments of my colleagues, but I am very industrious, hence I have read the report and internalized it. I have the report and it has markers. I am ready to debate. Sen. Cheruiyot, Sen. (Dr.) Lelegwe and a number of us who have been in this House through God’s grace know that the issue of revenue formula almost divided the country in the last session. We found it challenging to convince the nation on why we should adopt that basis. The Chairperson of the Committee on Budget and Finance together with you were governors then, and you will remember that we had a push and pull. My proposal, as you give us guidance on the timelines is that for the convenience of our colleagues who have not gone through the document, we be given time to go through it. I note that we have signed something to do with kamukunji . In that kamukunji, the Members can be taken through the report by Dr. Masinde of the Parliamentary Budget Office (PBO) for them to understand it. I remember there was a lot of protracted fight in this House when some counties lost. That almost divided us. We had people who were saying. “one man, one vote, one shilling” and the others were saying “one man, one shilling, one kilometer.” We do not want to reduce this debate to that level. I wish we defer this matter, go and build consensus, then come back to debate and pass the Motion. We do not need to push to the extreme. Sen. Kisang’ and the Senator for Lamu are from small counties that have been facing challenges of skewed resource allocation and I know that they would want to know how this is done. Mr. Speaker, Sir, let us give a time out for us to go and sit together. I know that people like Sen. Eddy who are supporters of Arsenal are still recovering from their loss to PSG football club that happened yesterday. They are still recovering and mourning. They should, therefore, be given time to recover before they look at the serious matters. You can guide the House on that issue."
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Some of us are first-timers and I like referring to myself as an amateur in politics. I am learning hence I consider myself an intern of this House. I was looking forward to being sensitized on this matter. Most Kenyans do not even know that there is a revision of this formula after every five years. We sit here as representatives of Kenyans and I find it very curious that we have not been furnished with the documentation. It might be an oversight, but it can also look like some things are happening and we are being led to a certain direction. For the sake of newcomers like myself who pride in being interns, let us have a"
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