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"content": "This Bill also refers to the national interest as if it is an exclusive function of the national Government. It is as if what county governments are doing is not of any value. A function of national interest can be undertaken by both levels of Government. However, that is not a reason to reduce the amounts to the counties instead of being increased as years go by. Instead of increasing the amounts to the counties, we are actually decreasing."
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"content": "We are charged with the mandate of protecting devolution. This trend, where a Bill like this passes through this House and we note decreased allocations to the counties, is a dangerous one that we should not adjudicate."
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"content": "Madam Temporary Speaker, this being a requirement of the Constitution, I propose that we support it. However, the crucial amendments that we are talking about, particularly on the amounts that will go to the counties, must be looked into."
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"content": "I thank you."
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"content": " Next is Sen. Omogeni."
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"content": "Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker, for the opportunity to also make my contribution on the Division of Revenue Bill (National Assembly Bills No. of 2025). Madam Temporary Speaker, this is one of our most important undertakings as Senators to ensure that we truly protect devolution. Our Constitution is clear that we devolve power and resources. Madam Temporary Speaker, I know that you are a champion of devolution having served in the Committee that was implementing the Constitution and that you were good defenders of this Constitution. In fact, I wish that Committee transited to be permanent, so that we truly protect devolution. From the onset, this figure of Kshs405.1 billion may look attractive. However, when you look at the percentage of our audited revenue that is being given to our The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "counties, it translates to approximately 21 per cent, although we are being told that it is 25.5 per cent. When I did my calculation, it looks like 21 per cent. We will never see the fruits of devolution if we do not give adequate resources to our counties. Instead, we will be making our counties employment bureaus, where the resources that we send to our counties will be used purely for payment of salaries and overhead expenses. The little balance that remains is used to put murram on our roads. In my opinion, true devolution should mean that the people of Nyamira County should not think of coming to Nairobi City County to seek treatment. They should have hospitals all the way from Level 2 to a Level 5 hospital, where they can be attended to and get the best medical care possible. I heard a Senator here saying that Social Health Authority (SHA) is working. However, I would like to tell you, as somebody who spends time with my people on the ground, SHA is very problematic. In fact, many Kenyans are crying and asking questions why we shifted them from National Health Insurance Fund (NHIF) to SHA that is not being accepted in many hospitals and has issues of technology. Those who want to benefit from SHA, log in and wait, even a whole day. Some go back to their homes while others try to go to private hospitals where they are told that SHA only works in public hospitals. They go to public hospitals only to find that there are no drugs. We are being unsympathetic to our people, especially those who are down at our villages. We are lucky. We have our medical insurance. Our staff have medical insurance and they can get treatment in all our private hospitals. What about the person in the village? My aunt or cousin, and the person who voted for me in Nyamira County? SHA is not working. So, I plead with our governors to make our hospitals functional so that anybody seeking medical help from a public hospital can go to a public hospital, be attended to as a one stopover so that you get consultation, prescription for your drugs. If there is an X- ray, you do it and go home with medicine. However, this idea of you going to Keroka Health Centre or Nyamira Referral Hospital, you are attended and, finally, told to go and buy your medicine from a private chemist is not fair at all. Madam Temporary Speaker, I hope as we, year in, year out, pass the Division of Revenue Bill and send money to our counties, it can transform the lives of our people down at the county level. We want to see our counties becoming attractive so that investors can pitch camp in Nyamira County and do business there. I want to see value addition. When I was growing up, my grandmother was selling bananas. Twelve years into devolution, I have not seen value addition. Madam Temporary Speaker, there was a time I was being told Nyamira will produce some wine made from bananas. I have not seen it in any supermarket as we speak today. I was told Nyamira will produce banana crisps. I have not seen them in any of our supermarkets. That was the dream of devolution that we can make our counties to become economic giants so that those who want to do farming or trade can do so in their counties and then we stop this issue of rural-urban migration. Also, we need fairness. I am being taxed for affordable housing. I pay tax. The people of Nyamira County are paying tax. Today, they watched a project being launched The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "in Mukuru kwa Njenga, but we do not have an affordable housing project in the County of Nyamira. So, if you are launching projects in Nairobi, how are the people in Nyamira County feeling? We should be innovative. If we are not able to do flats, go down to the villages, to those people who do not have houses and build for them houses. We do not all have to live in flats. If the people in Nairobi are happy to live in flats, go to Nyamira and look at the houses of the poorest homes, build for them homes. Build 100 houses and then go and launch them. That would be my wish for my people. We may not all want to live in skyscrapers. The skyscrapers belong to our New York which is Nairobi City. However, back at counties, that is what we should do. When we went to Uasin Gichu County, I had an engagement with youths in Ziwa Hospital. One of the participants was called Joel. He told me that, you, people, at the Senate, when you talk in the Senate, you should also talk about our needs. He told me they have problems with the SHA. SHA is not being accepted in their private hospitals in Eldoret. When they go there, they are told that SHA can only be used in public hospitals. I think we have had this thing for one year. We have known the problems. Let us now respond to the challenges that SHA is facing. I can tell all of us, Senators, if we were to be honest, public hospitals have no capacity to treat all Kenyans. That is a fact. They do not have capacity to treat all Kenyans. Two, they are not well-equipped with medicine. You will go to a public hospital, you will be attended to, there will be consultation, but you will not get medicine. I can tell you - and God is my witness - and Sen. Cherarkey knows the people that I am talking about. The people at home in Nyamira who work for me used to go to a hospital with NHIF to Ichuni Private Hospital. They would get treated, consultation included, get prescription and drugs were dispensed. Nowadays they go to Keroka Public Hospital because SHA is not being accepted in a private hospital. Consultation takes place, they get a prescription, then they are told to go to a private chemist to buy medicine. Really, we must be sympathetic to these people down there because it had gone into their mind that once you get a SHA card, the equivalent of NHIF, you will have solved your medical problems. Let us revisit it, Senate Majority Leader. Let us revisit. As you informed me, these people are watching you; you greeted them, you even took a photo with them."
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"content": " Madam Temporary Speaker, I do not know whether it is for lack of adequate information that Sen. Omogeni is pursuing a certain point, stating that SHA does not pay for citizens when they go to private hospitals. That is not accurate, Sen. Omogeni. Private hospitals, just like public hospitals as well need to enlist. If you check on the website of SHA, there is a list of public institutions and private institutions that have so far enlisted. When you go there and present your card, it will certainly be accepted, subject to all these other conditions that you know of an insurance card. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "Just like you, you have an insurance card, this one of Parliament, you cannot go to any facility. We normally pre-authorize with certain institutions, especially for specialists. I thought maybe, Sen. Omogeni, to help your county residents have an engagement as their representative with them to know the private institutions in Nyamira County that have already enlisted where citizens can go and get these services."
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