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"content": "There is an exchange there. Madam Temporary Speaker the Senator for Narok County has questioned whether I want this Kshs9 billion to be given to counties instead of the entire amount. I want to inform the Senator that the structure - and we have been fighting for this for some time now - of the Equalization Fund has been that every single year, this money is allocated. The money is allocated, but it never gets to leave the National Treasury because of a number of reasons in the implementation metrics of the Equalization Fund. Madam Temporary Speaker, the Kshs26 billion that is already owed, and which he is quoting, is something that had been allocated and actually been given to the National Treasury. It had just never been released accordingly. However, we are saying that in this budgeting, the proportionate amount that must go to the equalization fund for this particular financial year is the Kshs9 billion. So, the Kshs9 billion will pay debt. The Kshs9 billion is what is rightfully meant for the counties in this financial year. However, the debt that is in the National Treasury is that the money that is there has been put aside on a special purpose. Remember, the Equalization Fund is a special purpose fund and it has just not been released by the National Treasury. That is what Sen. Olekina as the Minority Whip and I must fight the National Treasury to release those funds to go and do the work that they are supposed to do. This is because they are never releasing them, but they keep on allocating them. This is just a commensurate amount tied to this particular financial year, the Kshs9 billion that we are requesting for. It is not necessarily the one to pay the debt. I thank you."
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"content": " Sen. Olekina, you may proceed. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. Let me appreciate my good friend and neighbour, the distinguished Senator from Migori County, for informing me. I am well informed and that notwithstanding my argument is very simple, this amount that we are allocating yet we cannot spend it before the financial year is over--- Madam Temporary Speaker, I need more time because my clock was running when I was being informed."
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"content": " Please add him one minute, the one that was donated to Sen. Eddy"
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"content": "Let me end by saying the following. That notwithstanding, it is imperative that we adhere to Article 201 of the Constitution of Kenya, 2010. Openness is very key. Public participation is very key. If you read the Constitution, it mandates the Cabinet Secretary in charge of any department to apprise the National Assembly and the Senate on the workings of their Ministries. Madam Temporary Speaker, it will be good for the Standing Committee on Finance and Budget to now call the Cabinet Secretary here and tell us why are we allocating money and he is not spending this money. That is why I am arguing that the reason why they are not spending that money is not because that money is there, it is because it not there. Let us be realistic. So, if we are given Kshs7 billion, let us be happy with it and see whether now we can call for it. Finally, I want to reiterate what I said earlier on. I would really want to plead with my colleagues. Please read this report and let us debate it. Always have a sense of occasion on what we are debating to help Kenya."
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