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"content": ". In 2003, boda boda were not a motorbikes, they were bicycles. So, I took Kshs100,000 and put in the Ikolomani bicycle boda boda. My political opponent then went and called the same boys and told them that I was playing around with their efforts. “How can he ask you to be contributing money to put in that kitty? What he should have done, he should have given you the Kshs100,000 to share amongst yourselves’. That is leadership for you. It is the leadership that kills noble initiatives like this one. Similarly, we were trying to woo members of the public to accept His Excellency William Ruto as a possible case for a good President, I remember we had a big fundraising in Muliro Gardens in Kakamega and the then Deputy President supported us. We did very well, we went on and bought a commercial vehicle, which is still in existence and for which we are grateful for. All the young people want is to be organised and it is today a big pleasure that we are creating the office of the commissioner of cooperatives. Since cooperatives are principally at the county level, it is good that we have accepted that this office should only be in Nairobi, but appreciating the fact that it is the"
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"content": "The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "counties that will be in control of these cooperatives and therefore the creation of the county directors. I am glad that in this Bill, there has been an attempt to recognise the fact that if we do not coordinate the activities at the national level with the activities at the county level, we will fall flat on our faces. Therefore, this intergovernmental structure, which has been put in this Bill is a very good thing but, when I look at the membership of that structure, it begs for an amendment. The commissioner, as a member that is okay; the directors in the 47 counties are okay. However, when it comes to a person appointed by the governor, I want to request and persuade you not to give the governor that kind of latitude. He has sufficient latitude to appoint many other people. Let this be an institutional self-sustaining process, since the county public service board will be having a say in the appointment of the county director of cooperatives, instead of the governor appointing some other stranger, probably a relative or a girlfriend, the way they normally do. Allow the Chairman of the County Public Service Board (CPSB) to be the one to sit on this intergovernmental body. So that it is automatic. The Chairman of the Board is independent when he is there, rather than when you have picked a character who has come there at the pleasure of the governor of the respective county. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, this is the amendment I propose in Clause 16 that says that there shall be the chief executive officer of the authority, and an officer appointed by the council of governors. No, they should be appointed by the chairs of County Public Service Board. Having said this, I can see an effort in this Bill in Clause 20 where under the structure of cooperatives in Kenya, we have created primary cooperatives, secondary cooperatives, cooperative federations, and the apex cooperative. This is a very visionary classification. It is the lack of clarity in the structure of cooperatives that opens up members to being conned. That, for example, in the primary classification, you have put from A to B all the way to G, the specifications of what a primary cooperative is, is something that is even a greater reason for us to celebrate this. Let me use the example of a primary cooperative in the sector of producer cooperatives. “This shall be a cooperative registered under this act with the objects of production, processing, and marketing of members' produce.” This is useful so that people in the production industry do not end up getting confused, for example, with their monies being heaped together with people from, say, the cooperative sector. I say this with a degree of nostalgia because I remember when I was a little boy of 10 years, our then Member of Parliament had this vision. So he created Ikolomani Cooperative Society at the same time that Githunguri cooperative Society was created when I was a 10-year-old schoolboy. Every Friday, so that our parents could be encouraged to take care and like breaded animals, we used to be given cheese at school, so that we go home and tell our parents, cheese comes from milk, which is produced in"
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"content": "The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "large amounts by breaded cows. That cooperative took off, but because of mismanagement, the Ikolomani Cooperative Society at Lirembe, then collapsed, but the Githunguri one went on and succeeded. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, if there is a Senator here who has never been to the Fresher farm in Githunguri, they are one of the most developed, fantastic dairy cooperative society. Sen. Cherarkey, those jokes you see in Nandi, Kakamega, we are neighbours, is not the case in Githunguri. In Githunguri, I saw people, I hope it is still the case today, deliver milk and on the strength of the milk you have delivered, you can actually be given a voucher to go and collect food. You are given a voucher to go and take to school and pay school fees and it will be discounted on the milk that you deliver at the cooperative society. We went there before and after the advent of Mungiki. Sometimes I hear the former Deputy President talk about violence in his Wamunyoro meetings and I say, indeed, ignorance is bliss. I see the violence that has never been witnessed in the central part of this country, now repeated almost every weekend in funerals and rallies and what have you, and I say, indeed, ignorance is bliss. I appeal to the Senators from the Mount Kenya region, you are going the wrong route. These children you now want to militarize some joker once militarized them into Mungiki. I went to Githunguri and the ladies who talked in my ear quietly, we normally see on TV, “please, help us, Mungiki is finishing us.” They told me that when they milked, they had to declare the number of litres and Mungiki would come with an entitlement of one or two litres. If you do not give it, your cow is gone. Let us do politics, but not politics of militarization of our youth. It is extremely dangerous. May I also inform the former Deputy President, who is a good friend of mine, we campaigned with him for many months to win the presidency in 2022. In 2027, we are going to do everything to make sure that the election is peaceful. We cannot imagine a situation whereby our children should start fighting each other because one person or the other has lost the presidential election. That one, I refuse. The former Deputy President is playing with fire. When members from his community then started facing the wrath of the proponents of post-election violence in 2007-2008, he was nowhere. We were the ones who were on President Kibaki’s side, that bore the burden of protecting these patriotic Kenyans who were doing business and have settled in Kakamega. It is a route we can never go, we shall not allow and we will fight to ensure that the 2027 election will be free, fair, and peaceful. We say these things with a degree of patriotism. Maybe, I do not know, some of you have two children, maximum three. So, in the event of the country bursting, you will quickly look for five passports, one for yourself, one for your wife and three for your children. How about me? I will not know where child X is, child J is, child Y is. I would die out of worries. I need peace, so that my children, wherever they be, I am assured that they are safe. I am serious. It is a thought that I cannot entertain in my mind."
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"content": "(Sen. Cherarkey spoke off record)"
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"content": "The wives are adults, but I can kill you for my children, the wives could very well take care of themselves. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I cannot end my contribution in seconding this Motion without mentioning something about Cabinet Secretary Wycliffe Oparanya. He is not my friend. He is one man against whom we have competed longest in my career and, therefore, we are serious political adversaries. Thank God the elders brought us together sometime last year and we buried the hatchet. It is going to remain that way. Why I want to celebrate Oparanya is that he has breathed new life into this Ministry. In fact, there are people who think this Ministry of Cooperatives only came around when His Excellency President William Ruto made Oparanya Cabinet Secretary. This Ministry has always been there, but all of a sudden Hon. Oparanya is there and is doing a good job. This is why sometimes I want to disagree with my younger brother, Sen. Sifuna, when he doubts that Baba gave President William Ruto experts to help him run the Government. It is true, because Oparanya is behaving like a typical expert in matters of cooperatives. I have seen the coffee sector, which was there pre-independence in Kakamega, Vihiga, Bungoma and in many other parts of the country, especially in Nyanza and Western. They had all died, but every day on social media, I see Oparanya there doing this or that. We must give him space. I only urge Members of the National Assembly Budget and Appropriations Committee to make sure that they put sufficient funds at the disposal of Hon. Oparanya, so that we have enough funds. I also appreciate the fact that there is something they call the Coffee Cherry Advance Revolving Fund (CCARF). However, we should have enough funds to make sure that the farmers who want to rejuvenate and reinvigorate these factories of coffee can get good seedlings. I also urge members of the farming community, especially those interested in coffee in Kakamega to not be in a hurry to plant seedlings just because of the hype I see going on now. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I have had an opportunity to sit with the Senator for Kirinyaga who appears to understand coffee farming very much and he has confirmed that if you prepare, get the right seedling, measure it against the soils and so on, your plant grows faster. With those remarks, I second."
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"content": " We now open the session for debate, and we start with Sen. Danson Mungatana--- You are next after Sen. Oketch Gicheru. He was here before you."
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