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"content": "some ideas on how to lead the country because he was not the only one. So, he did two terms and left. The one who followed did the same thing. It was like that until 1933 when Franklin Roosevelt decided to do four terms. Americans realising that there are people who would want to die in office, they amended the Constitution and created two terms. You used to take leadership as the President of the LSK and you were told the road you walk is the road of George Washington. You do two terms and go. Why do people want to lead co-operative societies for eternity? There are many farmers who can provide leadership to our co-operative societies. I am happy that the law is now clear, that before a co-operative society charges its property to a bank, there must be a special general meeting for members to authorise the officials to charge the property. I know of a co-operative in Simbauti that took a loan but they were unable to repay. That is land that could have been productive for farming. However, the land has been sold to repay the loan. So, it is important that members themselves pass a resolution to authorise board members of a co-operative society to borrow. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I oppose Clause 16 that gives power to the CoG to pick a nominee. We passed many laws here giving powers to the CoG, but you find that the Chair of the day picks their friends or relatives to be representatives of the CoG. That was not the intention. We must find a way. Let us be innovative. We can even say that in each county, the Office of the Senator should propose a person to sit in the selection panel. The Governor and area MPs should also send one person each, so that---"
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"content": " Point of information."
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"content": " Yes, Senate Majority Leader."
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"content": " Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I associate myself with the comments by Senior Counsel, Sen. Okongo. That is something that has troubled me for a while. However, you need to find comfort in the fact that we have now since enshrined the Council of Governors (CoG) in law, making it a body corporate. Perhaps, during the Committee of the Whole stage, we should add the words “through a competitive process”. If we do that, then it will serve the purpose. However, what he is raising is very important. I thank you."
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"content": "Thank you, for informing me. That will be a good middle ground, if we say ‘through a competitive process,’ so that an advert is placed in the newspapers, Kenyans apply, and the one who is most qualified is offered the opportunity. Section 12 provides for the County Public Service Board to employ a number of technical officers that it may deem fit. Sen. Cheruiyot, you know the problems that we have with employment in our counties. Currently, in my county, 62 per cent of the revenue that they get goes to employment. We need to find a way. Perhaps, we need to limit the number of staff. For instance, in the Judiciary, we have a limit of how many judges the Judicial Service Commission (JSC) can employ. The Constitution is prescriptive. You cannot have more than nine judges of the Supreme Court. Is it nine or"
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"content": "The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "seven? We need to do something. If you put this blank cheque, the moment we enact this law, counties will employ even up to 300 people. All the money that we were fighting today to go to counties will still be consumed by salaries at our counties. So, we need to be careful with this power that we are giving to the County Public Service Board in Clause 12. Otherwise, Sen. Cheruiyot, the moment you enact this law, your governor will employ even up to 400 people because they want to employ their relatives, supporters and as somebody said, even their girlfriends. With regard to Article 124, we cannot say that the JSC will pick members of the Tribunal from nominees of the Cabinet Secretary. The correct language should be that, “The Judicial Service Commission, through a competitive process, will pick members of the Cooperative Tribunal.” This is because, if you give that power to a Cabinet Secretary, it means the process will not be competitive. Finally, as I wind up, the animal in Article 153 called “the Cooperative Development Fund, which shall be money paid by cooperative societies as the Minister may direct.” I always try to defend farmers. If the Cabinet Secretary wakes up and says each cooperative society will make a certain percentage of contribution to this Fund, it means that instead of helping our cooperatives, we will still be giving with the right hand and taking with the left. I propose that we find a way that, we can collect this levy, but without punishing the farmer. The person I want to fight for is the farmer. Let us not pass laws that are going to add more pain to the farmer or that will take from the pockets of the farmer. I hope that at the Committee of the Whole stage we can find a way of creating a Fund that does not punish the farmer. Otherwise, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, by and large, I welcome this Bill. I also congratulate the work of Cabinet Secretary (CS) Oparanya. I have invited him to visit my coffee farmers in Nyamira County, who are in cooperatives. I hope he will find time to be in Nyamira County. We were with him in Uasin Gishu County, together with Sen. Cherarkey, and we commended him. We told him he is doing a good job, and encouraged him to continue doing the good work on behalf of the Government of the day. That is what we need---"
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"content": "(Sen. Omogeni’s microphone was switched off)"
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"speaker_name": "Sen. Abdul Haji",
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"content": " Thank you, Senator. Sen. Olekina, please, proceed."
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I rise to make some brief comments on this very important Bill; the Cooperatives Bill of 2024. These three distinguished Senators who are here were with me in the last Parliament when we passed one piece of legislation, which I was always praying that it would be implemented; the Warehouse Receipt System Bill. We are poor because we are not able to coordinate and make sure that we take care of our produce. When I saw this Cooperatives Bill today, I decided to come and make some contribution, which will at least guide the debate on this Bill. Sometimes I"
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