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"content": "licensed, a seller be licensed and a broker be licensed. You are stifling innovation. We therefore need to be cognizant of the fact that we are living at a time when artificial intelligence is guiding the future. Tomorrow, I will be meeting students who we are sponsoring to study agribusiness. Co-operatives is one of the subjects that we are going to be discussing. However, if tomorrow I have to sit down and tell them that we have a Bill that is proposing to have a four-tier structure for co-operative movements; I am sure most of them will be like, for what? If we had a database of how many co-operatives we have in this country, for instance, in Narok County, we would say we have 20 co-operative movements. Co-operative number one is for wheat farmers. Co-operative number two is for dairy farmers. Co-operative number three; tea farmers. Co-operative number four, livestock farmers. Then the next question we ask would be; how much are we supporting these co-operatives? Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, we had the Cabinet Secretary here the other day in charge of Gender, Culture, the Arts and Heritage. The subject of the day was the issue of women enterprise fund. If there is a way we can make sure that for any piece of legislation we develop, we tie in all these Government resources. There is a lot of money in the Ministry of Agriculture and Livestock Development today. When the Government wants to give coolers, they use the Ministry of Agriculture and Livestock Development. Can we find a way, similar to the way the disaster management office used to work; where it was coordinating services from each and every Ministry, so that when disasters strike, there is support from the Ministry of Gender, Culture, the Arts and Heritage, the Ministry of Lands, Housing and Urban Development and the Ministry of Local Government then? If you are telling me that being a member of a co-operative gives you priority and that becomes your security or collateral, when you are applying for a loan from the Women Enterprise Fund, I will be the first one to clap and say that is progressive; that is building and creating wealth. However, there is no nexus between this piece of legislation and the other piece of legislation; this department and the other department. We have heard of this notion and the Cabinet Secretary said it here; that it is an all-government approach. Meaning as the Cabinet Secretary in charge of Interior and National Administration or as a Cabinet Secretary in charge of Agriculture and Livestock Development, if you go to a place, you should be in a position to respond to the issues being raised by that community or by those citizens. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, any piece of legislation that we draft now should not be the one that continues creating jobs for people but it should be for making things to happen. We need to be clear now that we are no longer in a unitary state of governance. We are in a devolved state of governance that does not require everything to be coordinated by the Cabinet Secretary. I will give an example of the United States of America. They have school districts. I lived in Massachusetts, and Concord has its own school district. They get support from the federal government, state government and the local government. We"
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"content": "seem to be completely confused from the way we are moving ahead. It is like the national Government always wants to have control."
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"content": "I wish my colleagues in the National Assembly would take time to read the pieces of legislation that they propose. Once you read through these pieces of legislation, you can tell that we are in a different era. We are no longer at a time when everything has to be controlled from a central level. Let us devolve everything. Agriculture, which is the backbone of this economy, is devolved. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, time is up, though I wish I could speak on this. I will seek your eye during the Committee of the Whole of this Bill for me to try and make sense out of it. It will be the first Bill for me to do so. With those few remarks, I will allow the Senate Majority Leader to make his remarks."
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"content": " Thank you very much, Senator. I call upon the Mover to reply."
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"content": " Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, for indulging me. I seek your permission, under Standing Order No.1, that you allow us to extend by 15 minutes. I will reply in three minutes and conclude. I will not use the entire 15 minutes, if you can permit. You can even give us an extra five minutes, so that I do not rush."
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"content": " Very well. I will extend the sitting for not more than 15 minutes."
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"content": " Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I will not use more than five minutes."
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"content": "I want to respond to some of the things that my colleague, Sen. Olekina, has said, so I need time. I can tell when someone has read a Bill and when one just walks in, picks a Bill and wants to comment on it. Sen. Olekina has said many useful things on how we can enrich this Bill. I agree with him and it is something we must do. Had he been in the House earlier, he would know the urgency with which we want to bring sanity to this space. He would have listened to the things our colleagues said about the challenges in the cooperative space and the need to address governance and legacy issues spontaneously. I know he follows news in this country, hence he knows about the Kenya Union of Savings and Credit Co-operatives (KUSCCO) Scandal. That scandal was enabled by weak legislation that exists."
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