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"content": "former NHIF staff are diligent Kenyans, who went about their duties, worked and served this country well. Those need to be considered. However, I am fully aware that in NHIF we had staff, who were approving the amputation of a human being four to six times, yet we know a human being has only two legs. Do you want us to take those ones to SHA as well? There must be a vetting process. I believe that process needs to be done in a way that no Kenyan ends up suffering unfairly. For that reason, I hope that when the Senate Standing Committee on Health considers this matter, they will guide---"
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"content": "On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir."
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"content": " What is your point of order, Sen. (Dr.) Boni?"
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"content": "Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise under Standing Order No.105. You heard the Senator of Kericho County accuse the employees of NHIF of approving claims for people who have been amputated five times. Is he in order to mislead the country, when it is a fact that you can amputate one limb even 10 times? This is important. People should not call Kenyans thieves when they do not have facts. For instance, this can happen in a case where a doctor is treating a patient who suffers from diabetes and the limb starts rotting. When the toes are rotten, you cut. When the hand rots, you cut. When the arm goes, you cut. When the limb goes, you cut. Why are we teaching people to think that there is no person who is clean? These clerks of NHIF are likely to be punished and I am afraid that some powerful people in the Government want to employ their relatives and people from their communities---"
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"content": " Sen. (Dr.) Boni, your point of order is not sustained. The Senate Majority Leader, proceed."
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"content": " The problem is that Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale was on his phone when I was making my point. That is why he completely misunderstood what I mentioned. I was pursuing the point of fictitious claims, unless, Sen. (Dr.) Boni wants to mislead this House that NHIF did not have challenges of fictitious claims. That is in the open. Read from the report of the Auditor-General on operations in that institution. I have said, for your benefit, Sen. (Dr.) Boni Khalwale, that I am completely clear in my mind that 95 per cent to 99 per cent of the employees that worked in that institution are diligent Kenyans. Therefore, there must be a vetting process to establish that, if there is an employee who was found to be involved in the business of handling fictitious claims and brought down NHIF, then we need not transition such employees into SHA. That was a simple point, Sen. (Dr.) Boni. I do not know why you would want to take issue with such a proposition, unless Sen. (Dr.) Boni has joined Sifuna's band, whose duty is to get excited and say there is absolutely nothing right in anything that I say---"
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"content": " The Senate Majority Leader, that is uncalled for and I ask you to withdraw it."
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"content": " I said Sen. Sifuna's band, which never agrees with anything that I say. Surely, Mr. Speaker, Sir, unless Sen. Sifuna wants to rise and say he agrees with the things I say---"
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"content": " The Senate Majority Leader, just withdraw that. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": " Okay, Mr. Speaker, Sir. For the record of the House, I withdraw that comment."
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