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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I want to make a disclosure. The disclosure is that I come from Kakamega County and just the other day, when I was old enough to see with my eyes, there was no place called Vihiga in Kakamega. Vihiga was just one of the divisions in Kakamega. It then became a district and then a county. We were all happy, but today, we realise the folly of separating Vihiga from Kakamega. This is because it has been left with no opportunity to access development funds, which is exactly what is being pushed by Sen. Omogeni and the ten other Senators."
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"content": "If you allow me, I want to suggest that we stand down this debate and consult further. I will say something that has run through my mind for a while. It is true that the formula must confine to the Constitution; the Constitution speaks to equity and not equality. The only way to bring up the 11 other counties that are affected adversely by the formula is increasing the equal share. If you increase it too much, then you will have negated the Constitution, which speaks to equity and not equality amongst counties."
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"content": "We always divide money between counties in the County Allocation of Revenue Bill (CARA). If by happenstance, we allow this formula or some other improved formula to go through, we should remember that we have got 11 counties that require to be supported when legislating CARA. That is my proposal of how to unlock this discomfort. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "What do I mean by that Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir? If the shareable revenue will be Kshs465 billion, nothing stops us from pulling out and ring-fencing Kshs11 billion. With that, we can have Kshs1 billion for each of those 11 counties. They will then all start above Kshs6 billion then we share. It is doable through legislation. If we go through the formula, we will be challenged in court because we shall have attacked the principle of equity, which is not equality. Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir."
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"content": " Sen. Wambua, you must be comfortable when the Chair says he will give you an opportunity to speak. You can now speak."
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"content": "I am comfortable, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. A bit of institutional memory---"
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"content": " Sen. Wambua, take your seat. Allow me to say this for purposes of the Members who are ventilating on this issue. Let us not debate the Motion. Let us give our comments on whether we should give more time to defer our Motion."
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"content": "Well guided, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I will leave the institutional memory thing out and just go straight to this matter. There is a reason we had agreed on a kamukunji . We wanted to consult amongst ourselves informally and take a position. After which, we would move the Motion and fast-track its passage. We were doing well on the day that we had our kamukunji . However, we had other business. We received a visitor and it took the entire morning. Therefore, we did not return to where we had stopped when the visitor arrived in order to conclude the informal consultation. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, my view, taking up from where Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale left is that we should take a little more time, not just to idle around, but to consult. Let us be purposeful about consulting and agreeing on the best way forward. This will ensure when we meet, we will not have divisions and people coalescing around different teams such as Team Kenya and other team. We do not want those teams anymore; we just want to have one team."
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"content": "(Sen. Cheruiyot spoke off record)"
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"content": "Yes, there is a team for devolution. It even got to a point where people had to buy specific ties for purposes of identity. Sen. Cheruiyot was the one who went to shop for those ties. He brought ties for people who are now calling themselves Team Kenya. Let us just take a little more time so we can agree on this. I thank you."
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