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"speaker_name": "Kitui Central, WDM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu",
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"content": "allocation was done keenly. As a result of that, some regions were marginalised and we came up with the Equalisation Fund. It is by design that some parts of this country have remained poor for some time. That is the reason the poverty levels are very high. The reason why we have been pushing for poverty index to be this high in terms of percentage is to help these areas to scale up. The percentage that is allocated to poverty levels has kept on reducing every year. We are now going back to push for population to be the leading factor of consideration. Through Sessional Paper No.10 of 1965, these areas were developed and people migrated from the marginalised areas to high potential areas. The population of these areas became very high. Through the fourth-generation formula, it is like we are going back to the Sessional Paper No.10 of 1965 in terms of planning. When you give a certain population 45 per cent of the available resources, it is unfair to the rest of the country. There are areas with huge geographical size where providing goods and services is a tall order. However, we are now downgrading geographical area and upgrading population. With time, counties with a big geographical area will never develop at the same pace with counties that have high population. For example, South-Eastern, North-Eastern and North Rift parts of this country will always be marginalised because we are, again, pushing resources to areas with high population. If I was to have my way, I would have the percentage pegged on population reduced and the percentage pegged on the geographical area increased. Our Constitution states that resources should be shared in a way that counties can implement their functions. As a country, we have not cost devolved functions fully. About 10 years ago is the last time we attempted to cost devolved function. Things have changed. For example, the price of a unit of electricity today is not the same with how it was in 2013. So, we need to ask ourselves how much money in totality do counties require to be effective in the implementation of their functions so that we can cost all functions of counties and propose an amount that they will require to implement them, for example, Ksh700 billion, and how to share it. In the immediate formula, the third generational formula, issues of health, agriculture and roads development were factored and they have now disappeared. In an area like Garissa, there are no roads. They have paths in the name of roads. At what point will we develop roads in Garissa, Mandera, Kitui and Makueni if we do not factor in the level of development in our sharing formulae? It looks like we are still pushing so hard for resources to be where people are and we will continue being left behind. On corruption, we all talk about it here. How will we address corruption when we exclude fiscal responsibility as a factor in sharing resources? We do not care how people use resources before we give them more resources. We should have a situation where fiscal responsibility becomes an important factor in sharing of resources so that those who take care of public resources are given more resources and those who misdirect resources are given less resources. We will have more people joining the league of those who use public resources well. For now, it does not matter whether one uses public resources well or not. They will still get public resources based on this formula. How I wish we had a way of bringing up such a formula to address the situation. Since we cannot raise the two-thirds majority to change this formula, we will live with it for the next five years. Those who are marginalised will continue being marginalised and those who are developed will continue developing. I submit."
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"speaker_name": "Hon. Peter Kaluma",
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"content": " Hon. Yussuf Mohamed. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for informationpurposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"speaker_name": "Wajir West, ODM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Yussuf Farah",
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker for giving me this opportunity to add my voice to the Motion on the Fourth Generation Revenue Sharing Formula. As my colleagues have said, if today we could achieve the two-thirds majority to reject this Motion, we could have done it. Unfortunately, we cannot do it. We are forced to support the Motion. For the record, I want to make my reservations. The Constitution has outlined policies and guidelines on how resources are shared between the two levels of government. However, despite the well formulated guidelines on revenue sharing formula, there has been a delay in agreeing on the amount to be allocated to the two levels of government because of certain interests. The factors used to determine revenue sharing are quite alarming. When one of the factors to be considered for revenue allocation to county governments is population index based on the 2019 Kenya population census, that clearly shows you how we do not care about certain parts of this country. We all know that the 2019 population census was cooked in the Ministry of Interior office by some crooks who pretended to be the officers conducting the census. Some areas have been deliberately marginalised and their population numbers tampered with and reduced by three quarters. The same parameter has been used to allocate resources to counties that have been marginalised for decades. The 2019 census results are in the corridors of justice. The Arid and Semi-Arid Lands (ASALs) counties went to court to challenge the decision of the Kenya National Bureau of Statistics on Kenya population and housing census. That census was set aside. Using that nullified census results as a parameter to allocate resources to certain counties is not acceptable. That will return this country to Sessional Paper No.10 of 1965 that was a deliberate attempt to marginalise specific areas and deny them their rightful resources in this country. The other issue is using geographical size as a determining factor and putting it at 10 per cent. What are we using …"
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"speaker_name": "Baringo, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Jematiah Sergon",
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"content": " On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker."
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"speaker_name": "Hon. Peter Kaluma",
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"content": " What is your point of order, Hon. Jematiah?"
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"speaker_name": "Baringo County, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Jematiah Sergon",
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"content": " Hon. Temporary Speaker, I rise under Standing Order 95. I agree with the Members who have spoken on the Floor that this is a good debate. Considering that we are debating on the revenue sharing formula, and for us to conclude and vote, we need a substantial number in the House which we do not have, I request you, Hon. Temporary Speaker to call the Mover to reply. Thank you."
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"speaker_name": "Hon. Peter Kaluma",
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"content": " Hon. Jematiah, I will seek the decision of the House on the matter that you have raised once the Member speaking concludes."
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"speaker_name": "Wajir West, ODM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Yussuf Farah",
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"content": " Correct! Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for protecting me from Hon. Jematiah, who cut me short. I was speaking to the issue of geographical size being used as a factor to determine revenue sharing. However, capping it at 10 per cent is unacceptable. What are we going to use this money for? The first question we need to ask is, why are we devolving resources by allocating them to the counties? We are devolving resources to develop every village in this The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for informationpurposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "country. For a village to have a tarmac road, it needs resources. If you do not consider the length of the road or the distance covered to get to available hospitals at the village level, what are you going to use this money for? I thought geographical size would have been the first factor to use to determine the sharing of resources so that those areas that are yet to be developed are developed. Some parts which this Bill favours, are already devolved since Independence. They have tarmac roads, tap water and hospitals. On the contrary, those areas that have been marginalised for quite a while and their geographical size is much bigger, which I believe do not have even a kilometre of tarmac road, have still, been marginalised in this revenue sharing Bill. With all those reservations, the amount allocated is way better than the previous years. Some people are still talking about corruption, yet it is everywhere. As Members of Parliament, we must stand against corruption in this country. It is upon us and the rest of Kenyans to stop it. We will not allow hard-earned money to go to waste. The national Government is getting 85 per cent of this revenue, while the marginalised areas are not even getting one per cent of it’s share. How do we make the marginalised counties that have a bigger geographical area and a population which was manipulated to be at par with the rest of the counties? With those few remarks, I thank you Hon. Temporary Speaker for giving me this opportunity."
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"content": " Thank you. Hon. Members, Hon. Jematiah stood in her place and asked for the decision of the House on whether the Mover should be called up on to reply."
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