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"speaker_name": "Dagoretti North, ODM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Beatrice Elachi",
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"content": " Hon. Temporary Speaker, you know when the senior says that, he is telling us to finalise. But I stand to support. Indeed, as the Chairman has said, we must appreciate the crucial role of resolving disputes, particularly in special areas. This is one special area that is very interesting. It is an area we have had a lot of challenges in how to work together, harmonise and ensure transformation in our people. We appreciate that Article 1(3)(c) of the Constitution recognises that the Judiciary and independent tribunals are organs given the powers to deal with all claims and most of the challenges we face in matters of law. The most important thing is to thank those who applied. The team that is coming in must know that they are entering a very crucial area, one where we consistently face numerous challenges. These include challenges of even just understanding the international organisations that fall under this authority, which should be regulated. When you come into a country, you come in to enhance it and build trust. This is because you are also spending taxpayers’ money from the country you are coming from. You are also spending money coming from a taxpayer outside the country. The person or citizen in that country who was taxed for the money to come here and benefit another citizen would wish to see the transformation. As I finalise, I plead that we work together to achieve peace in our country, despite all the things happening now. Even with those organisations, look at your country and remember this is just your country. Work for it. I beg to support."
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"speaker_name": "Hon. Farah Maalim",
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"content": " Let us have Hon. Saney, followed by Hon. Langat. I can see the Vice-Chair of the very able Committee. That is Hon. Mutuse. You will also have a go at it. Proceed, Hon. Ibrahim Saney, Member of Parliament of Wajir North."
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"speaker_name": "Wajir North, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Ibrahim Saney",
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Public-private organisations have a broad mandate to perform. I have been an employee of civil society organisations. They have been doing great work in matters of charity, education, humanitarian issues, health, environmental conservation, human rights, and poverty alleviation. Their scope is so broad and deep. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"speaker_name": "Wajir North, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Ibrahim Saney",
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"content": "However, public-private organisations are expected to behave in a certain manner. They are expected to be independent, voluntary, non-partisan, and non-profit making, and to work for the public good. Over the years, we have had issues with whether they adhere to the required values and principles. Kenya has had problems. We had chaos and civil societies being funded to cause chaos in this country. This country was nearly brought down during the Gen Z demonstrations. Public-private organisations have not been non-partisan as expected of them. This tribunal comes at a time when it is required to resolve disputes where things are not done correctly. Mostly, privileged persons lead them. They take their children to top-notch schools, yet they want Kenyans to suffer at times. Their purpose is mainly to get funds without regard to where to use the funds. Public-private organisations are the ones agitating for LGBTQ rights. We belong to a moral society. We are a country anchored on recognising God and religion. Our Constitution recognises the family as the natural and fundamental unit of society. It is the basic unit and source of social order. In as much as there is a lacuna in our laws that does not forbid queer behaviour, it is improper when civil society organisations try to propagate LBGTQ rights actively. You will see so many people supporting gays. This dispute tribunal has much work. This is the time they should at least engage and resolve disputes on funding, mandates, and disputes on so many other things done behind the country. We were about to lose our country. This tribunal should be up to the task of ensuring that we do not lose our stability. We safeguard our stability because we have enjoyed an island of peace for some time. You know we have Somalia on one side. We know what is happening in Sudan, South Sudan and other parts of East and Central Africa. I am concerned that we may lose our country if these civil society organisations are not audited and held accountable. This tribunal should be tough and thorough on public-private organisations. I support the nominees. Thank you."
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"speaker_name": "Hon. Farah Maalim",
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"content": " Hon. Kiplagat David, followed by the Vice-Chair of this Committee."
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"speaker_name": "Soy, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. David Kiplagat",
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"content": " I support the Committee for the Kenyans appointed to different positions of this tribunal. The Committee is a hum of this Parliament. It has done background checks. It has checked their qualifications and reputations. It has informed us that all these Kenyans, from the chairperson to the members, are all qualified in terms of academics, reputation, and everything else. I support."
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"speaker_name": "Hon. Farah Maalim",
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"content": " Hon. Mutuse, Vice Chair of the Committee. Please, give him the microphone."
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"speaker_name": "Kibwezi West, NCCP",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Mwengi Mutuse",
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"content": " Thank you. I will be very brief. First is to thank our Chairman—the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs Committee, the Member of Tharaka, Hon. George Gitonga Murugara—for good stewardship of the Committee while considering and vetting the nominees. Two, Parliament would recall that while the Public Benefit Organisations Act was enacted in 2013, it was only operationalised recently in 2024. If my memory serves me right, this will be the first tribunal under the Public Benefit Organisations Act. Therefore, it is incumbent upon the chairperson and the membership to set the record straight, as they are the trendsetters. I am very pleased with the persons nominated to be chairperson and members. As senior counsel Otiende Amollo has said, they are highly qualified and have a good gender mix. For the first time, the number of women exceeds that of men in a tribunal. They are also well- balanced in generational equity. There are of age and the young. This is to provide diverse The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"speaker_name": "Kibwezi West, NCCP",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Mwengi Mutuse",
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"content": "experiences so that young people in this country also understand that they can participate in tribunals and public bodies as long as they are qualified. With those remarks, I wish you well and request that Members approve these nominees this afternoon so that the sector can have a tribunal to hear and determine disputes that may arise from the Act and any appeals that may come from the sector. It is also important for us to remember that the objective of the Public Benefit Organisations Act is to create a self-regulating public benefits sector. For that, there is also the risk of non-disclosure because it is self-regulating. In addition, there is an overriding objective that initially and primarily non-governmental organisations also promote good governance and accountability. As you have seen, part of promoting good governance is ensuring that it is not being used for the proliferation of illicit financial flows that may be used to harm either the security or other aspects of our national economy. We urge those nominated to prioritise the country's interests when disputes arise. Let them know that even the organisations that fund our public benefits organisations do so because of their interest. They are not doing so because of our national interest at all times. Let them be careful such that public benefits organisations are not used to advance the interests of other nations to the detriment of our national interest. I support."
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"speaker_name": "Hon. Farah Maalim",
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"content": " Hon. Mukami"
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